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Episode 7 · 1 year ago

Goat Talk Podcast 007 | Miguel Gomez Interview (12x Emmy Winner, Univision Reporter), TikTok, Sports

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In episode 007 of Goat Talk, Alonso Frias and Edgar Padilla are joined by Miguel Gomez, a 12 time Emmy Winner who is currently working for Univision as a reporter. They discuss Miguel commentating for ESPN, his success on TikTok, the life of a reporter from college to Univision, the Champions League, MLS, Youth Soccer, and other journalistic topics.

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I would do what we called the technical director, which is putting acamera, switching the Cameran, putting the graphics and then eventually, likeI started being on camera and being the anchor and reading the news and allthat stuff and then t because I was part of that club. They took us on likethis T v tour of one of the local stations, and then I just saweverything- and I was like this- is so sick like I want to do part some stufflike this and throughout my middle school and high school. I did a lot oflike graphic design in terms of quoter shop and I would always do stupidvideos with my friends. I would come up with stories a Didnin' even make sense.You know we Wuldo, like we just try to get effect. Yes, man like we try to getaffect. I remember one time I have a friend named master and we would justhave him stand on the street and I pretend, like he's getting run over andthen record a car. That's coming and been doing the aspect of him gettingrun over. So just messing around with all that stuff kinda got me really goodat editing. You know not riting and understanding like how to tell ThaStory and going into college. I really wasn't like I didn't know what I wasgoing to do. I was like man like. I was KINDOF like a ban, decide on that firstsemester and for some reason I I just went into like hey, I could do news. Ilike doing this. I like telling stories like the visual aspect, and then I eventook like one of those Tas that tells you like what career you should do.Hend I got either a lawyer or a journalist. It's like okay, that's likeanother indication for it, so I went into it but a in school. I went to theUniversity of New Mexico and I didn't really learn anything. You know likethat. Um, it's supposedly a good journalism, th apartment, but I didn'treally get anything out of it. Like you said, you know, you said you went toSan Francisco State and they do a lot of like newspaper writing and all thatstuff, and it's not something that I was interested in. Even though I wentinto broadcast journalism. Ll Do a lot of writing in English and I I'm on theSpanish news reporter you know, so I didn't even get to practice a lot ofthe Spanish and all that stuff. So I ended up having to get a second majorin Spanish. You know just to kind of work on that Spanish as well. At thesame time that I was doing the the news but M, even before I had even likedecided for my major I um I was working at a restaurant. I was working in it'scalled GCS kitchen. It's a new Mexican restaurant, now Mexican new Mexican.It's that style, O food down there in New Mexico super good, delicious bood.But anyway. So I was a Buzzboy, wiping tables. You know. Maybe if I was luckyI'd t take twenty bucks home as a tip, and one day I was like you know whatI'm sick of this I saw. I would check the Oni me son website to see if therewas any jobs that I knew that I could qinequalify for. Of course, if I eversaw like a reporter position there, I would have never applied cau. Theywould have never even considered me. I wasn't even in journalism school yetand when they going through the positions, there was an editor position.Like a video editor. You know you cut like what they call the VO, which isjust a video that goes on the news and I was like I can do that. I can cut andI can add it so I applied what I did to stand now when I applied was. I went to their website and I sawsome posters that they had for the news cast and events that they had and theywere very bad. They were like ugly so was like. I could redesigning these. Iwent on redesigned them Wen to Walgreens. I printed them out and thenI printed out a paper application s. This is back like in twenty twelve ortwenty thirteen and I printed out the paper application as well as well asdoing an online, and I shipped it into the hiring manager and I shipped it outon a Friday and on Monday I got a call because I mean it stood out. You knowjust throwing that in Stot out- and I showed up to my Um to my interview.They they asked me for an interview, I'd go to the interview and it turnsout that they posted the wrong position. It wasn't porbidio editor, it wasactually for for radio. I was going to be doing promotions, which is like M mebeing on the radio like en the Chos K, ai t en blah blah blah. You know I takit and Puting. In the Te the radiostation called was called Cosse Sinosinconweri, so o seem to Tino NonCasais. Look T to car, you know, wid bsobod knows like hose and would belike don AI. I Lev my radio name was Migalaso 'cause. You have to pick aradio name yeah a D it'd be like hey on...

Lom. It Hade to be like on me: AAs In oCo, shes, a Oe par roetw, an Wal thevile, and you know just talkingsmack and all that stuff and being and being there in that same building wasthe ESPN station. The N and radio station has aaan Iba. I notice how Yo,at the same time like for a couple of Monts, you were also commentating for eSPN, for I believe it was football right. It was for football andbasketball and a it was pretty funny because Um, it was on e s BN, the Poris, and it wasthe football season had started for the for the University of New Mexico and wehad the rights to it and we had to transmit it, but they didn't reallyknow anyone that knew how to one that really understood the sportfootball. They had a a person that they had hired, but he was more likeFoodboarl, you know and I'm a big football fan as well. I Li I, like allsports. ' Not Big Tin Sports. In general, so I in in terms of football,I sat down ND and they told me he would you be interested in doing thecommentating for this t the play by play. I was like hey that sounds badass. You know, like I get to go on my weekends to the Tail Gates. You know Ishow up in like a Sou, you know, and then they give you like a buffet you'reat the pressbox. You have your own private, Transbo, O France badge andremember this like three weeks before this I was like wiping tables and thensuddenly, I'm like entering back stage with my press past. You know- and Ihave my head set my own boot. You know so it got it just happened like quickand I was like yealet'. Do it and in terms of football like it was fun, butyou know, reading a defence is difficult. Reading, an off and it'isdifficult, calling and understanding like the terms. You know, for examplelike a Titan, Alasarala and Ismanual. You know quarterback Maricaldacampo andlearning all these different norns and yeah and understanding so ire's. A lotof studying you know and then, like the press, kids, a come for, like sports,are like Bisy, big D, especially in football. You know how they throw likea statistic for everything you know like you've, gotta like be Goin, andtry to look for those statistics to to point out throughout the game. Oncelike certain players hit certain goals, you got to put right down. So it's alot of work. It took a lot of work and preparations because it was like a fivehour show of just talking and talking and talking an luckily. I had a colorcommentator. So do the play by play. Io had a color comsuter, it was veryanimated. Hi Amin and he' he's Aletenow and just be tacking. Smack he'd be likekind o like you know the light of it and we just buy both of each other andsometimes actually we got in trouble. One time 'cause, we would just go halfyou know we just keep talking and we go a and we'd be talking snack and we likethere was at points that the University of e Mexico would get blown out reallybad and the game was so boring. So e have to find ways. You know. Look atKindof like how you guys do your potcet. You know these guys like Tal a littlesnack. You know KINDOF PR flow and we started doing a little bit of that. But,back in the day, a lot of that stuff wasn't allowed. It was more, like setarbls an pop. You know, Kindo, like very professional d from there. Inoticed you know, I'm like not a professional in this way, like you knowwhen they say big news. That's when I think of Bike News. You know whenyou're like Kindo, like not yourself on camera, LIKEC 'cause, I always like,would see people on like t v or the radio and they always try to act verylike profession, efection on. Then you see hem, ocking and ther're. Nothinglike that and it just there's. No, it's just not genuine, you know, so it wasfun to be there and being that environment and even though Wi didentahe honesty would not care a at. You know we just talk, nack laughed andright, and then, after that that happened M. I started doingcommentating for basketball well as well, but the University of New Mexicoat the time for basketball was incredible. At basketball, andtheorenos would get packed and basketball was a lot more fun than football,because so in football, I'm ont a presspox alone. You know- and I have myownboot witch uns incredible, but you don't get the feel of the game.You know when you you're there and the crowd and the smell of the grass. Youknow an the harads and everything in bootball. You get that putte o theHEADSAT and you're, not controld bruise, which is good 'cause I an sometimes at,was very cold. You know so we had that controlled environment, but once you gointo basketball, you're literally like in the like what was it? We were likethird row, but it was like an elevated Thir grow for the press and it was justlike a huge table where, like all the press, people were and there we are inthe middle of everyone. You know there arenas really niwe. You could e justlook at up. It's called the pit in the University of New Mexico and itactually hosted a finals for F, Ah Championship back in the day. It's areally nice arena and it's a really loud arena and it's a mile ub, it's amile, 'cause new MEXICOL's, a mile up and then it's up and it's called thePat because it's actually on a hole on the ground. They bigged te hole andit's so loud and it's just a great environment and you being there withyour head at you, Coald just feel it and you can see the crowd. You knowpeople interacting and being in that. That was incredible. I think that wasout of th the sports commentating that I got to do. That was the most fun thatI had when it was a comin basketball but yealige. You learn more like doingbasketball spuer, since it was like a lot more fast paced compared tofootball might be feeling you got more comfortable like speaking...

...well for sure, because it's a lot morefast paced. They were good. So you know when the time is good and therearescoring points, it's a lot easier to commensate and then also it's lessdifficult. You know to commentate basketball than it is to to commentatefootball. We were a lot closer to the action in football. I had like thesebinocular, sometimes 'cause I needed to. Luckily I had a headset you know withso I didn't have to be holding a Mike and I'd be having to look at the plays.You know from line scrimage with my binoculars and sometimes being able tocall the players and in in the football, at least throughout the season that Icommentated they wouldn't wear. The player names in the back would be likelooking at hole numbers, and these are not yeah, so you I mean throughout theseason. You start recognizing the PLAER, but we're talking about what like afifty two men roster, and so it's a lot of players that you have to learn,whereas in basketball you know, if anything, you maybe have to learn likesate, consistent names, Tan, consistent names and there's only up ou on thecourt. You know so it made it a lot easier and it was a lot more fun and interms of the production we did have an engineer that would go with us. It wastucometators in the engineer, but sometimes that engineer winding go so Ilearn how to do the broadcast. Do the live broadcast an affordable devise?You know I got to learn a lot of the technical aspect. I would make Um Iwanted to make make it like superapic and since at the time I was alsoworking at the radio station, we had all the equipment. So I would download,like these mu, there's music beds and it would be like, and then I would get a frent inarthey're like Lo se, then o make Yo Coi. You Know Toto Topaait, like thebasketball at bacts and sounds you know as our introk and then we got to pickour music bet 'cause. They just literally gave us a shoulder like here.You Go, you guys go and make it and it could have just been abous talking, butI wanted to make it like with the sound with the music and I got to pick up thesound and for football I got more like a marching man song, but for basketballI was like let's get I bump, and so it was like bomompan would start like geonthat Soma en on Er SORMAQA ABN to Stak e Ron. But you know you know what I meanlike. We just got to get more into the BIBE and you being in the middle of thecrowd. Gets you more excited? You know it's like. If you're out at party oryou're dancing home alone, I mean you could be dancing home alone and you'd,be like okay. You know I'm BII, but you're out in the party. You knowyou're like really like hey e Ouregn, Goind d. You start going. So that'swhat it felt like to be with the actual crowd in the middle of theircommentating, the basketball S. I would say I learned in both, but I had themost fun in Basketa 'cause having I ao control did you feel like that was alsolike, like it improved your skills, also 'cse, especially like. If you have like an editor, you have somebody who'sguiding every step of way. You can't really like give your persona out there,like exact the playbi play commentator also as well exactly man it was. It wasso much fun because you get to learn exactly how you have to produce it anden of course we made errors here and there and we learned to to Bakstom, andwe would listen back to it and say hey. We could have done this better. Youknow and the fact that it was on us. We were the ones that had to fix it, soyou have to figure out how to pix certain things. You know and do thewhole production and it made it more versatile as professionals, because andthat's why. For example, young journalists usually start off insmaller markets and in smart markets. You have to do everything you avk, youknow you, you don't have a producer, you wonto have an additor, you ha e.You know a lot of faint, so in smaller markets you have to do everything andit Tur. It shows you that rostility wont, because once you start getting tothe bigger markets, you realize that you might meet it once in a while. Youdo have all this cushion and all these other professionals that are helpingyou around. You don't know what yoy're doing, but sometimes you do need to beversitile I'll. Give you a perfect example. Look what happened right nowwith the Corono virus, for example like in late night, talk shows, I I rememberwhen the Corona Irus hit and the late night talks show host had to be doingthis theyoung camera and they were so boring an d. You look at Jimmy Falin,you look even at Trevor Non and all these other guys and they did it- theyweren't burst out B'cause. They didn't even know how to operate a camera orthdid. You know they just kindo started with their Web cam and they needed thecrowd to get that kind of interaction, and there was none of that struggle,because they're kindof just used to being in this buble, where everythingis done for them. You know, whereas en you look at like, for example, like aYutuber that can just go, you know and make you and tell you a story, becausethey have to do everything you know and they were very entertaineder in hisperiod of Corona, and you see them keep growing and I feel like that's theequivalent. You know to US professionals and the journalism worldin the sports world, where we have to do everything it makes you veryversetile. It gives you that creative control and Leto make even more on andcreative decisions. You know, and it gives you more authority over yourproduct over the brand over what you're, trying to put out and being able toproduce a por hour show and understanding what goes into it reallyhelp me out in a lot of areas. In my life or even in sports, you know story.I got to feel a little bit more understand a little bit more of thewhole process, so it was very fun man. It was very fun because you g t you gota lot of experience out of it and you were having an incredible time. At thesame time. You know you're there in front of watching basketball. You knowY Wwatar, like a few hundred dollartickets, you're getting that for free or and then you get backstage you know,and then I didn't come into the front door and again I was wiping tables afew months before this. When came to a...

...basketball season and out here I amwalking into the PA. You know through the players tunnel you know coming outand with the Siou you know our little badges and then we we would have likebrief cases, ecause, that's where we would carry our equipmenns and ourdocuments and all that stuff. So I was like I'm looking t o play, show youknow Oran A and I wasn't even I didn't have a major at the time I was stillgoing to school. I was, I think, a freshman in in Um in college. What,while I was doing this Esepreciman, an sophomore in college, and I didn'tHadn' even declared a major. I hadn't even taken any journalism class. Noneof this and I'm already getting this experience, I'm nineteen years old,which was you know it was kindo like damn. This is so sick that I get to dothis, so it was a great experience as a young professional and then from there.That's what led me to TV, because univision said: Hey well, you'realready doing the sports. Would you mind doing like a one minute sports? IE CA, call the MNUPOLOVO and lowel because ther the University of NewMexico Lobos, that's La Axca, so I would be t e Newtolovo and Iwould do like once a week. You know highlights what happened in footballand soccer and basketball and all these sports, and I would compile thedifferent viddes all that you know and say I e EA STILL EP my soul and eventhen for those I made my own graphics for them. 'cause I wanted it to be. Youknow kind of different and again it was this experience that I got doing theactual commentating that I was like. Oh I can produce it. I would put like alittle music in some areas. You know certain interviews and it woulddefinitely get a different pace than what the traditional sports highlights,ar which I always found very boring. 'cause. Imagine Han y, like you, getsports, usually now they're a little bit oe sprut out, but like, for example,at least in that market. It was a lot of college sports, so they're all onthe weekend. What do you do throughout the week? You know just kind of put thevideo okay and then the Lowbos Allso on Aright they lost to Blah Blah Blah. Youknow you got t have to put a little bit more. You know little producton littlebumping a little music and it got me to that area and ego ut in the door fornews for me, so it all Kinda, just ite was that decision to apply to thatposition that wasn't even that position. That was that editor position on ienedof being radio. That got me, you know all theseopportunities, but it's kind of just kind, O taking youv the chance to applyand say like W. I believe in myself. I can do this and then doing something tostand out a little bit more from everyone else. T at was appoint tosaneposition that probably 'cause. Then they later told me that there wasactual people thet used to work on the radio that were very famous in NewMexico. That Um hid applied to that position, but um since iwasi too yeh.Since I took a little bit more of an initiative and they saw that I wantedto do more journalism and Ete was more like. This was something that I likedto do. They took a chance on me. You know so taking a chance on Yoursalv.Maybe leads you down the road for others to take chances. Aren't you yeah'cause, that's Li e. It was like a story that it, as meant to be, like allthat happened for a reason, hen ended up doing something that you really like,and you really ftlike. You really found your career to all this. Basically yeahman, it was it, it was fun times. Man Um for sure I wan to ask you how sowhat was like the process like? How would you practice, like you know,actiauly carry yse like see. I was on your tiktop yesterday and obtiouslyCarriou o on the profession for your professional. But what was the processof like how you practiced when you were starting off like what was were youjust like talking just or starting like, like you know, tha like like a scripKinda or you know what I mean or yeah yea yeah. So remember I was telling you I startedoff in on radio and doing the Sintosin, Conraber and m that day that I got myinterview. They're like well. Let's check out your voice. How do you speakSpanich shows I go. I think I can speak AC Panish I was like well, I was born inMexco was ere n quarties. I grew up in the US bet. I was orn tin, Mexico and Iwas grew, peaking fanish, so I was like fl St Ton. You A and I thought I wasreally going and to gave you a scrap for a commercial that H that they wouldrun it w, like n t express, Oh there's non, the MB to the mbd over there it'sbackwards. It was for Mbdxpress d, they had me read it and I was like I read itreally fast. I thought I killed it. You know, I thought it was really good and they're like okay, it's good andthen Um later on. I ended up replaying thatthing and it was me reading like she a like you now, like supernervoussuperpast, it was going to sound good, but it wasn't. It wasn't good. ButLuckily, while I was there, I had really good people around me. Thatwould tell me like first for for Radiat, like talk like if you're smiling likeAFE as Companeros, you know youv got to show that enthusiasm and they're likeslowed down a little bit, try to emphasize in these areas. You know sowhat I got to practice when I was when I was doing those radio Um, you know'cause. I would have to hop in and say like it was some guys callr number fiveright now get three tickets to a violat to blah blah blah. You know, so it wasin those chances that I would get to practice and I would write ha scriptsometimes like for the radio like bowl and Pon Bo. Like some Kea points out, Ihad to hit you know than then going into the football. It was all thispreparation. You know it was. Writing those statistics, understanding whatplow we were going to do of the show. You know what what things we were goingto hit before and obviously reading them before and getting that kind ofchemistry. With that person that I was...

...commentaing with and honestly all thatwas done on the job you know because it was such a small market. I was stillgoing to school. I was having a full time job on top of doing this ESPNthing you know and Um. I was very busy during that time period,so it wasn't like I could actually set down to prackpractice. It was yeah Iwoas sit down to do. You know research on the game and all that stuff and theactual practice came throughealtty games and I felt like the season wenton. We understood and we got a little bit more comfortable. You know it was alittle bit more like, instead of being a little bit more nervous, I guess, ora little bit like jumping into each other, we kind of started getting orcutting each other off. We started getting that low and understandingwhere we were and it's all you know it is practice, but it was practice on theair which was Um, which was fun to do. I mean it was a little bit nervous todo 'cause. You don't have that experience at first, but Um jumpingbeet first, and that in that field I feel like it was very interesting, andthat was my practice and I feel like that- helped a lot because Sali wasradio, for example, or for a podcast Buk. You don't have to worry aboutfacial expressions that people are looking at you. You montly only have tolike focus on your voice if you're setting that tempo, if y like people,can imagine what you're saying basically and you don't have to worryabout what they're viewing in a way exactly exactly man, sometimes we'd, beit's funny. 'cause, I told so in in the football games. therd be a buffet afood butfor. All of the press, which was dope and we'd becoming to the fourfive hour, shows so long so we'l get hungry, so we'd be like eating overhere. You know and I wouldn't move my microphone as the other person wastalking and then it'd be like Oom and they like Ol Shoo, Lik Wa. You knowlike who, wouldn't I mean as long as I wastalking, you know, people wouldn't know that I was eating or doing all theseother things or if my friend was like I mean my colleague was uh, sayingsomething that, like Oh mtell us more about this last play, and I was likesome place. I'd be Lost Li E. I don't know what what they callin on there oe' be like everyoe. I could be like tell Hem like uh, you know win answerlike No. No, no, no o! You know or pointet things a like. I wanted himlike. Sometimes we have to do commercials in between and I'd be likeI'd slide it in n I'd be like read this. You know, n the same. What happend tome, so you get to do a lot of things you know from behind the Mike a you cant do, forexample, on camera. You know and if I get nervous or lost you know oranything like that, it's a lot easier to save. When you're on on just audio.You know you could just keep talking and membling a little bit rather thancame. If you got lol H, you know and then that's when it starts getting alittle bit. EMMERAGING B'cause everybody's watching you, you nore tgetting a little bit nervous, whereas over here you do focus. You know alittle bit on just your voic and down the line. Thatleads you to speak in in better ways. You know your tone, you get you getbetter at that, but for me it was difficult 'cause. Then I had to makethe transition o news and when I went to news they were telling me hey. Yousound a little too excited to be telling the news. You know you've cominother and your Ho Aryou, like a I mint, Ai Aosakaenlasinao, you O. I am not amurder man like thre, you gotta bring it down, and luckily, when I was doingthat time, I did have this Um, this great news director at the timeColumbia under government. Those who would stay with me after work a andwork on my voice and tell me you see you sound a little too high here. Youknow try to colment down a little bit, but that was when I went into the newswhere I had to come down a little bit more and even then an like. I listenedto how I was doing like mynew stories 'cause, you know you have to do likekind of like tell a story have to have that reporter voice, yeah and Shit- andI I remember like Um listening to the once, like even from like a year ago ortwo years ago and like my voice is so different. I feel like you know yourhonor personality always changes. It keeps changing, you know and it dependson the story and it depends on the pace on the story that you want to do.Sometimes I even catch myself like dam, you sound really different. Today, yousound a little too happy today. You know you gotta Comet Down, you know,and it's Kinda it it's it's a I'ngoing process, all the time. You know andlearning how to talk and learning what to say. You know and Um it it was. It was definitely that continuouspractice that keeps happening and to data I feel like I still keep learningon things of how to say things or how do what tone of voice as Chese forcertain areas. But it's something that I would say that is something that's alittle bit difficult to find that voice for you. You know that's going to workand some people kind of just get it right away, and so for some it takesforever, but luckily there's a lot of technology now and a lot of phones anda lot of cameras in your face. Now that makes it a lot more comfortable. Youknow you can go live now on Bas, Wen you, cul go live now on Instogramma fora lot of people, it's not more comfortable and then once they startgoing into this industry, that's the pact they're, taking it it's a loteasier because of all the technology. Just like you guys, you two areanchoring. You know you two are presenting: U To representers, you knowand if it comes, if it comes down that if they needit to put you, you know ina scenario where you're like in the news or you're N T, V or you're in aradio in a potcast in a different...

POCCAS, or something like that, youknow how to act. You know how to Project Your Voice, because you've hadthis practice Ras than before. You know back in the day, tha we didn't havethat many opportunitie, and especially, I feel like journalism and mostly likethere's always going to be jouralism like there's always been news. But howdo you see the progression now, especially with like sports reporting?Do you see it going more to social media 'cause? I know a lot of peopleget like this porse noose from twitter. Like you have woge for basketball, youhave FBDIS for soccer transfers, you have Atam for football. Do you see themarket going more towards social media, El? Absolutely man because think aboutit? Where do you spend more time? You know even that I work and news. Ialways tell them. You know like I feel like the most important asset. Now is adigital asset, because it's not like even for sports. If, let's say you know,the dodgers are playing in the morning and the the the score result comes out.You know, whereas an before it be like and I'll tell you. If the dodgers wanttoday out six you're not going to wait till stayno ing out if they wan man,you know you're just going to go online and look, look it up, you know and oneyou could either Google at or too you know you could go to the journalistthat you th that that you want. You know that you follow. You know and Ow,there's a sports page and ExCo one footboard, you know, and if we grew upas a kind of like a mean page and now it's a professional, respected side,the same with bleacher report. You Look ablache report, it was just a blog andit kept growing and it kept getting bigger and people start going to eitherthese entities or the journalists that are covering these. These areas- and Ifeel like the next area, where you'r going to see something big, is, forexample like in Tik Tok. You know, give me a quick little digestibble. You KnowLittle Nice produced video of Oi Guyso. I I'm coming with you with some of thehighlights. You know, and I would want to consume that where it's like give mea minute what happened? Let's go and I feel like that's, going to be a lotmore important than the actual like sports segments, that we would see on tv. of course, ESPN's always going to be there number one if wo want to turn onto espn, but there's these ne niches. I don't know if I'm pronouncing thatright, but these specific areas, you know that you can ddive into whend. Youfollow those journalists. For that. You know you have like your uxc Gu that yougo to you're going to have your you know: You'R N, F, l, your on you know, you're USL, you know even forlocal leagues and that that feel like that's already happening, and it'sgoing to continue to grow and it opens the opportunity, especially for a lotof young journalists that maybe are like you know. When you apply to a joband they're like Oh yeah. Well, we we need someone with ten years experienceand you're like Oh, my God. When am I going to get that, you know and you'relike Ayeah, exactly you're coming out of college, you know and you need, liketen years experience an you're like how do I do that hat well, that experiencecan come from. You know, creating your own, your own product and thensometimes, and I think, we're going to start seeing that it's going to outgrowwhat you were trying to apply for. You know like if you could create it to you,know to the millions if you're really passionate about it, and you keep doingthat and you keep that consistency with it. You know you're going to growbeyond you know and you're going to get the following you're going to get therespect, because I feel like credibility, concrume fom working forfor a company, but you can also earn that credibility by being consistentand by producing good material, and if I see, for example like if I see likeEdgar has like you know, keeps upfating on. You know the on the champion sleepand I saa okay, and then I see him next game. Like oh GIV me some like usefulinformation, you know that I in good context, well produced okay and, likeyou'd, seen that well guess what at some point, if I keep seeing it, I'mgoing to click follow and when I want to get something you know out of mychampion. So when I want to get that commentary which I I am that guy I dogo on an outub and I do listen to commentary on sports afterwards and itmight be boring to some. But I like to listen. You know from people at nightto Tog. You know a one good example was a pap IC, Cafi Pot Gass, I lovelistening to it. You know I hop on and that's where I get my nf l fix from youknow. Whereas in before id be you know going to watch first take which isanother one. You know, I guess it's good, it's commentating, but it's partof thespn atmosphere where pat you know he started off on his own, and now hehas his own production company, his old potcast, and this whole thing you know.So it would be the same, for example, if I know that AIS producing t thisgreat content, I'm going Ta follow him. You know and that's going to make himand give him credibility in my eyes, because he's been consistent with it,an he's been punting out good material. You know consistent material andinformation that is useful, concompat its useful and I'm going to follow him.That's going to be my attempionleep blocker, you know 'caue somebody likeOmart, like also Al more from Housee, highlight, I don't know, he's one whostarted it all and then he ended up now. He was for a sportcenter on ESPNsothose people were like breaking those barriers and starting off somethingsmall and it gets bought out by like a larger company yeah and that's thething too. You can even sell it. You know and make your millions and keepworking, and then you already have that credibility. Lon. The creator of youknow in entity, and now you get to go to these companies like Sport Center,where you get a couple of mill a year. You know to talk about sports, which isyou growing into that position rather than waitor? You know going up thatlittle corporate ladder. That I feel is...

...what we used to get sold. You knowbefore and now we find out that we really need it, especially with all thethings that there are online and even for those wanting to go intobroadcasting sports. You know or or you might not have the rights to the NFL toto to elaborate or transmit the Games on your am on on your channel. But youcould give that commentary. You can create a show. A sports show aroundthose sports that are happening and you coald do it ot home you could benineteen, you could be eighteen, seventeen fifteen! You don't have to goto college. You can pick up whenever you need to learn online. You know asif you want to hustle, you could find it on you too. You know you, you canfind anything on how to do allwars, 'cause yeah anything man, like c just thinkabout it, like man like I would like to produce this, make this little likesport show, but I don't even know how to do graphics. I don't even know whatequipment I need. I guess what what cameras do? I need to blog in my HouPoon, how o you set up lighting in my house, you're, going to find how tocreate graphics for you're, going to find a titorial for it and if you'rewilling to hustle and you're willing to understand and take the time to readit's not like saying: Hey, don't go, you know, like I'm saying, for me,college was a waste of time, but I was doing something better. You know I waslooking outside and I was actually doing that an for me. That's why I wasa waste of time, maybe for others it Wasnin a bit because they they mightmeed that structure, but if you're willing to hustle outside of it andfind you know the area where you can grow and you can do you know you canactually just create a product and say you know what screew of college. Ialready learn. What what I needed to do- and this is me doing this- this is mecreating this, and especially now on paforms whor, like Tik Top, were veryeasy and they're very liberal with their likes. You know, and people it'sa very like Um community based platform wherepeople are very supportive and if they see that you're hustling, you see thata lot with the businesses and tha. They see that your Husland Er twenty o Coen,that you're bein consistent with it you're going to grow that following andthen you could take that following let's say to your you to channel or toyour prodass I'd say for like, for example, you guys you would be doingsomething consistent with it, O on tick, Talkan en say, hey by the way, guys goncall me Io Grandma'm, giving you more highlights there. You know and peoplethat are interested, obviously a know that you're focuse on it are going tofollow you and that's how you start growing those areas and you realize hey.You know I was going to go work at like a tiny market in odesa Texas. You knowin the middle of nowhere in West Texas, nd B, a sports commentator over therefor high school sports. When my dream is to come and pait on the NFL whogaes.What now you can do that now? You can do that. If you find an area and Y, youfind a way to be original about it and create useful content. You can skipallof that, obviously it's going to be a lot more work. Why? Because themoney's not going to be coming in right. So that's why it's Goin t have to be apassion. You have to find a way that you can be noin, bose or managing bothor even, if you're waiting for you know, bfor a position open where summer,where you want to apply, you can keep doing these things. You know if you'You're, like man, I really want to work in as a commentator for the NFL, but Idon't have the money to go to school. I have to be working. I have to behelping my family, I'm pretty sure one day out of the week, biind time tocreate that content and make it and be in that industry, while not being in itand there's a lot of access for people to do it and just a matter of actuallysitting down learning what you need to do m understanding what you need to dobeing knowledgeable of what you're going to put on on air. What you'regoing to put out on on your camera and doing the research, and I feel like inthat area people are going to start growing em it's going to start gettingeasier for others to enter these things, and you know, especially in I, in thiscommunications, where everybody's doing this now you know everybody's doingBett. Everybody knows how to do this. You know, there's a lot more arriancefor people to jump in and you're not going to need espns or the ABCs or CBSan tha cover these sports of the world. You, if you want to do it, you can doit. Yeah 'cause, something elseso wants to talk about H, like I like, like msomething. I've found like like annoying in a way too, as how like alot of retired athletes are getting into like are getting into the field oflike commentating, especially so I feel like t they likesince they've beenathletes their whole life. I feel like thatb, this bias of like rooting for acertain team or defending a certain promotion or certain entity and thencompared to somebody like coming out of college or somebody sarting out theirown thing, like they're, taking these jobs from them and it fee like theydon't even do like the same job. Exactly so, and- and you see that a lotan and again going back to that example, where you see Jimmy Sally and Triveroon,not knowing what to do when they're on their camera on their own. These bigathletes come straight into the studio which takes opportunities from guyslike you, and I you know that went to school, that that had thoseopportunities and they have that name behind them. That name brandrecognition. For example like Tony Romill, Gointo CBS, you know andcommentating over somebody, that's probably been doing it his whole lifeand been waiting thirty years to get that position and suddenly snromoretires and he gets the twenty five million dollar contract right on thepin time. You know right away, 'cause of he onn and yea e Goth. We got anasty contract and- and I get it you...

...know, he's good. He has brainnumberrecognition, but the way that we that we counter, that is by doingexactly like, for example, what you're doing right now. You know you'regrowing your brend in your area in the way that you can do it and you're morespecific and you're going to have obviously more tolent in this area thansome professional athlete. That's been focusing their entire life. You know,you know, you understand a technical aspect, you'r growing in this area, butYouko in a lot of cases. Many people don't have the demo to show that youknow, whereas you do and you're going that brand you'e going that recognition,and you know, and for you you might have your own internal bises, butthey're, not as obvious and more in more lean, more leaned into listeningto you, rather than listening to, for example, Tony Ramo, if you're like, ifyou hate the cowboys, you know, you' be automatically Pron tooning the mouthand tme alternative, a look. There's a Lanza Wat his you know an Fel. Take I'drather listen it to him. You know, so I feel like that's a way that we cancounter it, but I do think it's not fair. I do see more athletes getting onT V and and getting those good contracts and even one Nebeson. I sawthat the other day you know you have bomam somewhere, ao n Ye, H and codackto a Porpo and then te have the ID o o seen like Youn Olyan, Heaepolico, exais,moracl in actor, and he o agoond EPO Fordan. And if you even like it's noteven like his whole career is acting and if you see his takes on soccer andstuff like you're like dude like you like they, you could tell like to aperson who watches sports. Like often you coand tell like he doesn't fit inor like what he said doesn't make sense stuff like that exactly exactly, and there might besomeone that actually knows how to do it. But it's you know they're puttingthat name in because of the recognition and I'm not a FENDOF that I'm not a fanof that I mean if, if he, if I mean there's nothing wrong with giving him achance, you put hem on her and you're like damn is do notis football. Youknow, thi do knows is basketballyou know. Then it's a little bit. You know,but I feel like they bypass that interview process. You know by justusing their name and going on there and in some areas th re. It is very usefulin terms of commentary, so so in terms of like, for example, when they put thefootball coaches- and they tell me Oh yeah- you know like this is how thisplay wand and we're trying to break it down. ND It. It gives you usefulinsight, but sometimes they wan they're Lekin, the CARISMA, a or they'relacking. You know in some other areas, but they always do get that on Feiradvantage, and I feel like the more we go on Um. You know you do have thesethis, like hyperpopularity, that's happening now with social media andthey're GOINGTA come with that Brannin recognition that a lot of companies aregoing to try to stick too because they're 'cause of social medias movingso fast and companies are getting a little bit left behind in terms of thetheir audience, so they're going to try to pool Tho names and bring them in toboost their recognition, not aban. So it's unfortunate, but I do think that'ssomething that's going to continue happening Um. I wanted to ask you. Iseen that Onderwe CICK talks like the process of Lin, how you make a story,but for people I don't know H, Wa's, like the process like everyday or wh.Whenever you like, woport Nike, something's going on. Is it anthat youlike? Do you call Somebo? They call you hey. This is up or you know at I mean,like Oh say, somebody just died like in front of your house, or I don't knowlike in San Francisco or something right, hey go! Somebody DOE! Somebodycall you hey. Can you go to a report on this or or whats Tu Pris sing yeah, soit depends so, for example, at my station, I don't ee siln fourteen herein the bay area, Um we're very clear on what we cover T and we don't cover likea lot of crime or all that stuff. We do a lot of community based story on power,art community and that's what we want to do. I definitely work a newscastwhere it's all blood. You know it's on blood, that's all they ask for likehere. We have that opportunity, but it hus come with hits challenges. So howdo you get a community story? I'll? Give you an example of something thathappened this week Um I I got an interview with with a man that came outof the hospital he uh. He had been in Acoma for five months. He had been in aventilator for a while- and I was there for the moment that he first saw hisfamily after five months after h being there because of the corona virus.Family numbers weren't allowed to visit him. You know, and he wanted to sharehis story about what happened. So how did I get that story? I met M when Iwas in the mission in San Francisco about five months before I um. I did aninterview with this lady. I I was going through businesses and I saw lady thatwas there and I started talking to her and she told me that her brother in lawhad the corona virus. So I told her hey. Do you mind if I get your number and Ikeep in content with you to see how how Heis doing it's Lik, yeah, of course,and throughout the summer I hade it written down on my phone on my notes onmy phone and sometimes you know even a reminder like hey check up on this ladyin four months, Hey semmesyre sent me a reminder in four months to check up onyou know, ontony or Aacele, or whoever the person's going to be, and you savetheir name with a good context in the contact that what you don't forget. Youknow it's like the Lady's name as Saraselliana Araseli met in the mission.Her brother in law has corona virus,...

...you know, and it makes it easier tofind my contacts opway and I I checked up on her in the summer and she's likewell he's still in the hospitals. I hate thiss in my cellphone. Let me knowwhat happens is a few months pass by and I get a call from her and sattelling me like Kate me. My brother in law came out he's coming out of thehospital if you wan to be there to capture that moment. It's like perfect,so this one story that I took out this week. I planted the seed for this storyfive months ago. You know, and- and that has to be a continuous thing- thatyou have to be doing continuously to get those stories because it'sReporteng you do have to come into the newscast with your stories. It's notlike you get there and they're like here. You Go. Here's your sigmen. Youknow I've Ben e newscast in in new stations where it used to work likethat. But then you find out that you end up covering stlories that don'treally matter R Kinda. Like me, you know. So when you come in with your newstories, you get to do more useful content and at times you get to dothings that you like as well. You know and you get to put a little bit of thatpassion like for me. I Love Sports, I I can throw in, for example, this week. Idid a boxing story and I personalized it wit, the Corona Biris, and howprofessional athletes have been effective, you know and how businessesand jams are not recovering from it. So my pitch, if imagine, if I just went tomy news director I was like I got this boxer. He has a basesite coming up andI want to do a story on him: that's not newsworthy in their rihts right, so youhave to find a way to sell the story, an talking to the guys like Ca. So howYou'e been infected man. I have to get a job, I'm a professional fighter. Hetells me I'm a professional boxer and I have to got a job and there's no gymsto trains. For me, it was difficult, my gym close down and I have to findanother gym that was willing to let me, in alone, in the gym, by not chargingme membership and not violating the county rules. You know so that's astory right there on how business is and people themselves and athletes have togo around it. So that's a story that they would have never assigned me asports story and I had to find a way to make it a story and sell it to theproducers. So once I do have the story, we have a meeting in the mornings wherewe meet up with our executive producer with the producer of the show. Theproducers show the one that goes and puts everything in order and figures.Alcecusis lors going to go here. The story's GOINGTO go here, they're incharge of the NEWSCAS they're, not my boss, but they're in charge of the newSTCA. They tell me in terms of times they prov my stories and all that stuff.So I I say you know, I have three stories today, this one abought, thisboxer and the corona virus, there's also the air quality that we could gothrough. We could speak to a couple of boctors that we have or we could do itin. We can also do this Um, Corona, Iris Story on stores and howbusiness are being affected. You know you have to come in with your storiesand then they tell you okay. Well, I I like the one with the businesses. Theytell you so you're like okay, you hang up on on on your call and you idaly tryto have the stories ready prepared before you go in, but it's difficult alot of the Times. So, for example, if they're like out of nowhere they'relike oh well, we like all your stories, but today's story is actually different.W. We want on focus more on the business inside, so you know it'ssomething that had nothing prepared for. So it's making a lot of calls like oh YP, leme show Aer Playe Wen. I Wal just N Strcorneto, you know so, making thosecalls and getting Um getting with the people and Understand Oi whatwas goingto call and getting getting with the people and creating the story.Sometimes you kind of have to do it on the flop bi, which is it can get veryintense, sometimes because, as a journalist, I do everything I'm a videojournalist, so I write an edit a shew. I drive myself, you know so it can be ahandful to do everything, but there there are ways to do it. Yeah, okay andand also I wante, O, know. Um I mean you, don't have ton, but I fortake talk, 'cause. Obviously it's a smaller. You know you have to condenseeverything into a smaller segment kind of thing you know like in vio Um. Is itharder for you to make that or is it easier? Oh, it's a lot easierman, it's a lot easier. So when I, when I've been, I started this past fewweeks, making some sexucxs about my process to show a little bit of what Ido kind of behind the scenes and the way that I do that is I'm veryconscious, as I'm going through my day, and I know that I have to shoot certainpieces that way it makes it easier, I think of it as a sequence of how I'mgoing to do it. So, for example, let's say if I'm going to do today on how owhat my day is, you know I'll be like okay in the morning I have to shoot avideo of me brushing my teath and then in the afternoon when you're there, youknow as you're, making breakfast make sure you get five seconds of yourselfinto breakfast. You know, and then after that get five seconds of yourself.You know sitting down in the computer, you know and I'm very conscious of thatand then once I get I go, I I shoot those little things throughout my dayand then once time to sit down and, for example, write my story, I write mystory Senin to a newscast and then, after that, what I do is I just sitdown, and I put I the videos Altogetherin, that order that I shotthem drop am in sit down open a worddocument and say: Okay, here I am eating. This is the story of how I Iwas eating terial this morning and the milk was bad. You know and I gothroughout that process and I start...

...writing it with the video that I have oand then I went and I sat down ton my computer and I hade the vide of mesitting down in my computer. I write to my video so and since it's only aminute long, you know- and you ou you have to use like certain like popularsounds for some. You know so you don't have to really worry about the audioand it's a lot more quicker. I don't produce them as much as I could. I candefinitely spend more time in them, but for me, since it's just a fun thing todo and to show behind the scenes for me, it's Kinda, I think about it, like that,you know it's a whole process throughout the day of you know, beingconscious tha, I have to record myself recording something you know as I'mdoing certain things and I'm like okay, this wuld be a good shot of me.Recording this, you know, and I'm conscious of that- or I should put thecamera here and now you're going to be walking with your tripot. Come back,get the camera sat around the area, the Aoha, to make bastball thing thatyou're walking with your tribond and stuff. So it's a whole processthroughout the day that you have to keep doing, and I feel like especiallywhat ttalk like a gathrs that audience that doesn't have like that attentionspan of watching a five minute, even a five minute, like news segment, theywan t they want to see like in thirty SEC and commence, and he like what youdo too, like t behind the scene is like really important B'cause. I feel like alot of people, don't know like how a news story like I just ask like how'sthe new story produced like how does that whole process beand a lot ofpeople like that's interesting to them, like all they seeing is just like thereporter on t v like talk about the story, but they don't know all behindthe scenes and all the equipment and everything like that, and I feel likeTik talk, does a really good job Rom, allowing you e showcase th. It allowsyou to show case that behind the scenes and show a little bit of that process,because a lot of people thought I was with he photographer Alel the time andthan I just sat down and sat back, and you know here I am reading. No, youknow we're blue collar workers were out thuring. The Sun we're out there in thehazardos conditions we're out there, and I want to show you you know what ittakes. You know, and sometimes for example, you might be like- and this issomething that we get a lot. For example, wheny. We Chon gets a lot ofgrief like all you gets o tell my mom. That airponts give me cancer and you go that's something I'm going to tell youtoo he's in o no reporter, and they get like a lot of slack for that, like Oh,like being on your phone yeah like you're, going to die son or somethinglike that and I get hy 'cause. I grew up Lapinoand I grewi remember my mom threw away my ewgol cards 'cause. She saw anOnocoiva that they were from the devil and actually made me Gove Hem Away Hak to se Frien, because we saw thatand it's like. I get that and I get where it comes from, but wetransitioned from that already you know and if those are our national thisgess,I'm doing local news like how can I be bake? Give you bage news when I'mcovering a community story, you know where it's in the community that I liveand I think that's why it's important to be in the areas that you are. Youknow, but you also show thet behind the scenes. You know, and you show we tryto do a lot of process talking. So, for example, this week I was I we sent arequest to the FBI for an interview and they said no and we usually just say wesent the request to the F B and they said no, but instead I recorded myselfactually typing, you know and telling you know like we reached out to the FBIfive times or six times. You know, and you explain to the people and you haveto process taln o like hey, we try tis. Just these people don't want to talk tous. You know, and I feel, like that's wh, how you get rid of a lot of those.You know old ideas, you know, and you also have to we give our audience a lotof credit. We got to think of our Onians that they're, very smart, youcan't say, like Olhayiens, are going to give you cancer. You know if I'm goingto tell you and it might prove that these give you cancer, that I'm goingto do a story on it, one hundred percent, but I'm got to tell you why Ican't just say, like I ti Anconc M Blah Blah Blah. You know she's there in thecouch and just show er all he had. These gave me cancer. No, that's! Notthat's! Not a story. I got to talk to a a professional. Tell me why: How dothese work in what time does it? I that it gives you cancer? You know, and if Iput enough points you know to prove to you and I'm making a good point andthat's my job to do that. I got to convince to you that that's a goodstory, because I spokeen to the top professional. This is not migltelling.You Hey these GIV, you cancer. You know this is the top doctor. You know in the:U S telling you this, you know this is not Migel the journalist. This is a guythat dedicated his entire life to do this, and if he's telling you that Ifeel like that, gives that story, credibility, that', something thatmaybe used to lack before and we have to find and get better at understandingand finding those sources and explaining to the audience whysomething is dangerous. You know, instead of of just putting fear, youknow or just punting, O beer and there's definitely you know a lot ofjournalists. That's still right, like ithout Amanao, AA, yeah, yeah, they're,a very old school, the Nimal Sistesimacinis Anamantis, you know it'slike dod no come on. You know I I used to work at a new at a newsca beforewhere they they would h. They would just wantto talk about blood. It wasjust you know, F. If, if that old saying you know, Ik the bleeds it leadsy. Ah, I feel like that's where that's where we start losing our audience andthen we start complaining like Oh, you know like a lot of Laos arayradicallies or like intonatical culture. Well, yeah, that's all we'recovering that's all we're giving them in content. You know that's what we'retelling them it's happening in their community wherever there's other thingsactually happening in their community. I remember one and they sent me to. Ihad this really cool story already for air for a TNPM use cast, and theycalled me- and this wasn't here- iner B,...

...se nd. This was at a different station.They Calle me like at nint forty something they're like hey. We need youto go cover this car accident. It's big IAS like this really goot sory, noosB'cause. We need we need to opin with Breaking News and that's reaking. I getthere. It was like a little fender, bender and t yeah in the middle of thehighway and I'm like. Why is this news, but they wanted to open with that redbanner. You know to get people like Hthe, we have breaking ewse horribleaccident and they go up to me and kid you not as I'm ONAIRI'm like a s s hewis tin on Quia but GOS. She ont to NSONA and you're. Looking behind me andyou see the cards just like get in their cars and drive away randliterally.That's me on air, I'm like well, it's it's all taken care of reporting, Lin,you gl Gomiz, you know, and then I went off on my produce afterwards. I'm likethis is not journalism. What are we doing here? I'm covering two cars andI'm getting people alarm. thinking like hey, there's break in news happening inyour Communien, its just a little fender bender happens all the time, andI had this really cool storye that would have been powerd that would haveheld. I would have given ou resources and we didn't air that because you wanta open with that red banner. You know so you do get a lot of that and that'sa lot where you get the these gabmeaerpots. That gives those peoplethat idea that that's what we cover and I feel like giving them TronscerenceyToticbo controling you as well like this is what I did today. You know thisis what my day look like. It's going to stop eradicating those ideas. You knowI's Goingna, get rid of that and I feel like as we go along. You know. I feellike it's going to be more important for journalists even broadcast orsports journalist, to show their process behind the scenes to showpeople, and I feel like that, ads to your credibility, yeah 'cause, I feellike a lot of people like it. KINDOF gets me mass, sometimes too how peoplesay like Oh h, this storeis fake this d j. just because he's a journalist hecan write whatever he wants. They don't know like a ghost for like an editorand Cheef. It goes through a copy editor. It Goes Tor like the sportseditor and then from there they coan have a fat checker like et gets. Itgoes through so many filcers at to even get published, and I feel like a lot ofpeople. Don't know that too, like oh you're, just a journalist and you'rejust putting it out there, but it goes through so many things to get back,checed and likeand like Serans Aras. They have to have a certain amount ofsources like I remember in college like we had to have at least three sources,or else we couldn't turn in the assignment to give you like even morecredibility. So I feel like a lot of people. Don't know that, like you'retalking to people, like you said, like you're, getting those cods from doctorsabout the airpots, giving cancer like he're, giving actual like people withcredibility like doctors in the field and stuff like that, an especially ifit's going to be such an alarming thing like airpot give cancer. You have tohave someone that tells you. I can't just say that 'cause I heard it because,even if my, even if, like my Fel, got cancer from a aerpos, I can't just giveyou that example, because of my personal experience got to get someoneto back it up and, like you say, we do have a process every day. MINUT. On myscript, its, I can't record my Scip, my executive producer checks at every day.I guess what there's error sometimes yeah sends it in it seems like hey. Yousaid that it was a hundred and hundred and thirteen. It was actually ahundred and forty five oh shoot. Thank you. I appreciate that good catch. Youknow, because you are going to miss in certain areas and we are on thatdeadline. You know so sometimes you do miss it, so it does need of filternnothin. No, I did this story. Yeah go ahead and that's something also. I wasGOINGTA. Ask you like a lot of trouble. Well something I had like withdeadlines like I always stress me out, like Iwul, have like three or fourdeadlines at a time and I'd be like really stressed out and then for you. Iwas in Askd like how are you with thearline, especially since, like youwere going live or you s, you have to send in stuff like that same day, likedouget stressed out by that, or are you really good with like time management?I feel like I've gotten really good with time management, but I feel likethat's a for journalists, at least the ones that Iwork with. That's their biggest biggest struggle time management and I've goten. Luckily, I've been doing this, for almost you know a decade that I'vegotten better at it and I've I've gone better at it by messing up by bymissing bedminds by my story, not erring by me, taking a decision thatmade. For example, I was at a Bernie Sanders Rally and he my news can was ateleven and he got therlad and he was still talking my ten fifteen and theyneeded me to to make U produced package. And that day I was with a photographerand I was covering and the photographeras like I'm not going tohave time tod it, and I was like no, I gotta listen to an Bernie Sandercas, soI would stay there till the rally was over. It was like Til, ten thirty andwe hade thirty minutes to write edit and send and set up a live shot forthat guess what we didn't make it, and that was the story h other day and wemissed it and the next day an my producer got in trouble. I got in trouble and y photographer gotin trouble and- and my news director's like you know- and this can't happen-you know- but this needs to err. We ended up airing, but we ended upmarring like at eleven twenty, when the newscast is almost over and people arenot watching anymore. When that was the story of day- and that was myresponsibility and- and the news director made a good point- he was likeyou went to a burny Sander's rally. He gives these rallies these exactsamerallies everywhere. You knew, he wasn't going to say anything controversial oranything different, because it's so rally, they say the same things anthingevery time. Why did you need to stay fo there? For so long? You need to setyour deines and I feel like that that...

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But if you consistently keep yourself two PM, I have to have everything and that's my goal. You know every day I have toget in everything by two PM and I have to have everything edited by five P M'cause. There's errors, Nantic te Bunch Nolegy as great as it is in Rickin, Sck,sometimes and you're, going na Fok. U Youre N an area Wben you're, like youknow, like ogy computer freeze and you havenat not work since mithen IIS, IHTpiancy at it. I have that hour of cushion, whereas in I see sometimessome reports trying to add things you know towards the last minute and thenyou see they mi theirtheir deadline, Hon, air and you're, like of coursethey did. You know they're trying to do a little too much. You know and I tryto do a little too much before bi pm after five PM, and I still haven't donemy story edited it's like to the point: Col Woman. Sometimes you know you getto to a story and a producer once hey. I want you O to do I too, in a packageand you're like that's, not feasible, some reporters are like okay and thenthey are struggling there fo, you know and they miss their deadline and theyget in trouble, whereas they tell me that I'm like. I cannot give you apackage. I want to do a straight live I'll, be from there I'll give you theinformation I'll, send some video that is not produced. I just send some videoover you gust play it over me as I'm talking live, and sometimes you have tomake those executive decisions out on the field in order to make are, whereasin it might not be as good as a produced package, but I can give youall the details live. I know them so I'll, be like he there's a fire. It's athree alarm fire. There's three injured, firefires they're still going through Ed, youknow and I don't have to go through tha whole process. Up like this morning inOklam in the fire there was tee. You know that's expes, O that RSIN. Youknow. If I don't have my deadline- and I I I don't- have the time I'll juststand up there and tell you what's happening so you have to make thosedecisions and you have to be very conscious about it and se your internaldeadlines for yours Sol. That has been something that I've been doing for thefor the past. I mean four four years. Maybe and I have not missed a singledeadline. I have not missed one time on that line Um, and that was because I mysef AnaberniSandi Ralin and it was a bad mistake and it was on me and you learned fromthat, and you know how they always say. You know, there's always it's alwaysgood to make mistakes, and I made my mistakes and I learned from them, andever since I was like okay, that's not going to happen again! Pom Two PM IV, PM and iill live through that and I have not missed a bed mine 'cause. Something too. I wanted to askyou like how do you manage like your social may, like I feel like you're,pretty big right now on Tig Tok Yup over a hundred K followers you have twomillion likes, there's been videos of yours, 've gotten, like two millionviews like you managed in like Oh this today, I'l have to do with tike talk tolike keep the audience or do you just do you have a schedule for tictalk ornot really, I I tri to put hem after work, so I try t luckily for me it'sT's. It's a lot easier for me because my job is to create content 'cause, itis hos. Alread Yo, don't have the greate contents for for the news cast.So I can just tell you my process throughout the day, which makes it alot easier, but you do see that with a lot of other people for exactly you seewith construction workers or there's this guy that does like from coldstonecreamery he's like has like two million followrs on tiktop and all he does. IsHim creating? You know ice cream for his videos from a plbe perspective andthat's him going through his process. You know he he could very easily waitand then do that when he's at home, but then imagine you get home from work andthen you still have to create it. Where he's creating on the go and showingwhat you do so for me, it's created on as I'm going like, I said earlier, youknow you go and you shoot in that sequence and then, as soon as I'm doneediting my story, I just lay it all in my timeline on my editing software whomgo through it writ in real, quick and try to pose O. I try to pulls usuallyafter work, but then it's also like you know. I very repetitive. I've noticedlike some some of the stories I'm like Oka e, just startn, O look a little bit.RETENTITIVE LESD go back to the drawing border. How what can we do when Youegot to keep changing it up here and there you know to make a different andthen like one of the things Um, one F, one of those videos at Um performed law was people kept asking me.You know on the common t's like. Why do reporters just go like this forever?You know wher, they always notting. What do they take forever to Resyeah?Oh yeah, I see not one and because, like they don't know, there's nohingsay about is' Bill Yeah, there's ait the Lan on thebackpacks that we use you know and an that day I didn't really have aninteresting story. T to tell you know like hey. This is what I did today. Youknow. Instead, I focused on that. Why do we take forever to respond? This iswhy you know- and you switch it up in those Arasyou know, and you answerthose questions and then you go to e...

...commens and you see: Okay, ohwl, whydon't you use a discord account instead or whyt? Don't you use a phone instead,you know- and maybe I can make a video about that in the future. Like I wasask you know wh, why don't we just use the cell phone o go life and here's areason we do. We use SOOUR BACKTAC use like all the all the datacars fromTMOBIL phorizon. We go through all the networks, all the networks Combie, sowe actually have a stronger signal than what you do on your face. Time is justthe way that technology works, that we have to feed it out and there 'secertain rules that we need or feening it AL perhaps C. You know, there'sdifferent areas that we have to think about B. You know you can't reallyexplain, and maybe those are the behind the scenes that you can explain and ndthat's how you can create a content. You know think about it and create it,impose igt or even pursue like to talk morelike II. It's been like a market, that's really dressed on really wellfor people get they're getting paid through, take talk, but then there'salso that thing where even like Tho Pos to happene today were people weren'tgoing to be able to download the out today, but then he got. I think he gotit postpone like a week and then like in two months, going to be likepeminently band. So are you going to like keep on pursuing that at a largerscale or are youjust going to waitly focus on reporting? I I feel like this is a greatopportunity, because a lot of people, you know, are being more associatedwith you. So you're able to you know, show Hem a little bit of entertainingconsent. Oh hear some news, you know a little bit of energy and content here,some news and keep inform of them. So I very I like it a lot because only besoon af, you think about it. Um I have you know the parents on the Nevis sonand then I have the kids on tick ans and something and and there an and Ican comen like he, I've seen you on T V. my grandma always watches you, mygrandma love you. We guess what you know. Not only not your grandma knowsyou, but now you know me too and Askiby and if you're passing by the livingroom, you know, and then you see that Omodscreen or You'e hear my voice,you're, probably going to stop and watch my new story. You know because Ican my ro Godost, even Tig Tuck, you know J, I its very helpful in thosearies and it's helped me goot stories. As well, you know, I was outdoing aninterview and this and I really needed an outside worker and this lady. Shewas a little bit shy and then the kid was like: Oh e, you Tak Oo, Sco p to anno v. no Aslo andhe helped me convince the mom. You know D, because a lot ofpeope ont dig dog. They don't want to do interviews like especially like whenI've bon like in my experiences when a lot of people that don't want to belike on camera of like that. That really helps being like haven, enouth,familiar face on take talk and they know your work exactly yeah a and annoyme, and I think it's a very imp, important platform. I I really do likeit, because it's very fun, it's quick to the point. You know and you cantrola lot in a minute and if need to have more, I can just doanother one later. You know you can go live on the platform and I do think iitsomething that I do find very interesting. I do find it very fun andvery useful for what I do and for anybody I feel like you, can start abusiness and use it and promote your business tro there and tell a storystory telling is o n is incorporated into you know our dn a as as humans.You know, we've been spelling stories in the beginning of time through rocksand carving. You know in caves and Thire's is another way that we're doingyou know we're learning how to tell stories of our generation and it'sgoing to help us be more divers as well. You know, like I don't know, I o story,I don't know no storry, but if you guys start telling me you know, through thisplatform like hey, you know what you know when I was a kid. I went throughthis and this is what I've been doing now when I started this on profit. Youknow when you give me that behind the scenes where I could just he like, youknow Edgar's on profit. You know- and I would not be interested in it, but ifyou tell me that behind the scenes you know what I have matters to you thatstorytelling it's very important and I do feel that a lot of people are goingto start finding out how important it is and that PAS tin to keep growingterms of the you know of it being banned and stuff. I do think it verypolitical for sure it's a very p political area m. It turns out H. Oracle Walmartcould get their deal approved by president trump. Sowe're going to have to see what happens you know I. I do think that theplaturm's not going to go away. I do think that it is going to stick aroundUm. I feel like the same way 'cause. I fo a lot of people 'cause I fel like,and then they also said. TIKTOK also said that they were going to takethey'll. Take it a cort, they said, and I know they have a lot of money, umbehind them and I know ovheard of like slap lawsuits where, like th largecompanies, will keep on putting more and more money into the into the case and tey'll keeppostponing cort dates. So l like they'll, just keep throwing money outit unti either. One of the two sides decides to just drop the case: yeah,that's something that they could definitey do and it's probably going tohappen N and if it does get to that point, but it feels like the bill got aproof Um for it. So luckily, hopefully it sticks around. 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...got to mix of everything. You know youcan get a sad story and then Mex I could get a sports story, you know andthen next I coulget you know reporter telling you how his day is and how itworks. You know and then next you get a a Nassa engineer, creating a giantnerve gun. You know and shooting his nephews with it. So A and you only getit you know for a minute and if I don't like it guess what Oom next Y, whomnext you know. So it's a very you know it's a very engaging platform. Um andespecially you know. So do you think for the up coming here? I think it'sgoing to be Verydo, you think. As far as 'cause, you know how we'resaying L Ke everythingis like tix times like a minute, long, rih or shorter, orwhatever Um 'cause. I was telling Alon Zol. How, like I think, it'd be better to to getmore continent like shoe likes, for example like shore clifs or like wemake tiktop or something you know what I mean. 'cause people attention span,it isn't like ifact. They don't want to sit through a hour long or two hour,long ear, three hours. You know what I mean. So I think we could just likeshort cliffs or something you don't like Jus, all condense, into some small.I think people would like that way. More yeah en tha, that's the beauty ofTicktak. You get you get a minute to tell your story and that's you know,that's your deadline! You get one minute, you know! That's it! You know,and if you have to get your point across through that and that that makesyou get more to the point as well. But then it also makes great a challengefor for you, because you need to grab that attention and punch hem in theface immediately. You know like they scroll and pool you got ta get theirphace, because if you don't, if you're like just sitting back and smilingthut's, what's going to happen to an Nexper, all you know, so it makes yoube a lot more intentional nto the point, and it makes you be a little bit morecreative in this sense that how am I going to grab that person's attentionimmediately us when, as they see me, you know and creating that shortcontent, you know know it gives you a minute, but I don't even try to go aminute sometimes because even then I know unless it's very interesting, I'vehot O, HEP ENTO around thirty seconds, Forty five seconds you know because atthe end of the day they algorithm, you also got to think about the ALGORITMand how it works, an erewords that watch time. You know so I I have aminute long Vadio, but people only watch it for around thirty seconds.What's I going to do to my to my alghorithm? What's I going to do to myviews? You know what's nat going to do to the people, I can potentially see it.You know, whereas in for example, if I have a story that I know you know, Icould probably do a minute and then probably look a lot cooler, but itwouldn't be as interesting if I just did it as thirty seconds. I could dothis in thirty. Second Centeres. Do it in dinty seconds, because I thinkpeople are going to appreciate heate that more and I feel like we'venoticed that on TEX OPA, like an follow for part too, you know know that was atrend back in May and now people hate it. You know people want to get ed an Iwantto can out. I don't want to Knoti wait til nextweek to see if you traded that little bucket of sand for ATESSLA. You know Iwant to know now you know get it to the point. Like I, like S, O see, I t a thepeople. Call you like the you look like the Latino David Doverick. I seensomebody coming Y, the long hair. Well, no antually cutthat yesterday. Look at that man, I I got now when I'e got like some guynamed scissors. I think IIES, like some Stramer I've got in. You know a coupleof soccer players from AMEDICA UM. You know I I've Goe Multipman Prey Uny 'cause, something else, I'm wone to askto about like your Emmi, so like what pushes you so say like. Maybe when youwon your first envy, like it felt like amazing, even when you probably wonyour tenth like, but what plushes you now like wh. Is it a pulliter? Is thatlike your next goal or what is like? What are you working towards now interms of like recognition and awards? I just like creating good consent. Man atthe end of the day, it would felt them. It felt, really cool winning my first,my first stemmeit was odd somebing at the ceremony and then hearing your nameand then that first one that I won. I wanted with a Witha patographe that Iworked with and he was a good friend of mine and just seeing his excitement washouzing 'cause. I got mepon because he had he had been nominated. 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I haven't gotten Toen, you know so you know after the PA, for the six youknow they all start kind of looking the same and Ey startilizing. You knowwe're in thein situation. You know it's, it's awesome to have them, but itdoesn't really come with much after that. You know it's like. What's nextMHM oh yeah, O Iwas on Ansearlier Weere, I e On'tnow, we Otell, but honestly,like we're, saying, like I think of time for like, for example, on MN, theporth is, I feel like it's time for like change like like you know I e it'slike it should be. Like the new generation, you know the newthe yewgeneration of like journalist, kind of port. Is that fact that who or not likeyou know, I 'cause Ir's, been like even for like a lot of this happend like on vcntleo? They keepthe same like broadcasters, they keep the same journalist for like a longlong period of time. ND A lot of people don't want to see the same point of view in a way. No, I agree and I'll tell you this. Ifeel like if you're going to be in that platform for thirty forty years, youbetter get with the time yeah you better make it worth my time, becauseyou see these souts. You know that are in the studio and are just used to theway that they used to do things in nineteen. Seventy were as someoneyounger like you or you. You know you could help onthere and making the same content that he's putting out but more creative,more baster, more entertainment, more engaging. So I feel like it's not interms of how long they get there it's. If you're going to say in there, youbetter go with the time and you better be willing to put the Tine and makeyour stories interesting. Make your content interesting. You Know Oro.These young bloods aren't slowly going to start coming in and I'll toll youthis. This is something that I've noticed in my industry and news. Youknow I remember going into every station that I've gone into. 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What do you think about this oryour platform just goes off and you find that you're here and thesecompanies- and you know this- you know they're slowly, going like this they'reslowly, gowing like thise and other companies are going like this becausethey're not getting with the pines they're, not getting with the times andthe same as with the Internet. You know like peresent and news and TV T V is anoutdated for him. You know, T V is outpated man. When was the last timeyou sat down to actually other than sports, you know to say you know what Iwant to watch some t v. let me turn on see. What's on CBS, let me see what'son UNIVC, you know it's more of an old school and for our generation, it'sthat', that's that's our struggle. You know and in a way to create and stayupdated. You know, and I feel like that's where we not is that o placeslike, for example, BLEACHR report, which was down here on ESPN. You knowoe PN, Te porces was down here and then slowly you start seeing them. 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Ifthey don't get what the Times people are going to make them outbated,because guess what you don't need to go to es b n up Buk as you could just goonline and find what you want: You're, not tied by that channel, whereas inbefore you know, you only have the option to switch the channel to oh TBSNBC. Won't he be soon. Okay go around again, you know, and that's the onlything that was transmitting you know for you in terms of entertainment, inters of news interns of port. You would only get it from there Herat than now.If I really want to find sports a one in the morning, I can go and findsports. U On in he morning, nd Oy know someone comments any on it, so I feellike t it it's that, and I know it's frustrating man, but it's it's going tobe that transition or as in they don't Ge witthe times or the platinums Gointo tack, yeah 'cause. That's what I feel like we'll hap with the newspaperlike the newsovers to me, is like it's lite completely dead, like even in a incollege. Even this year we still like work a lot on the newspaper H T that ismostly like a large focus, but it's like it's slowly dying. Everything isgoing online digital, especially during the cranovaris too, like there was likea fifty percent increase and that's like huge amount of people who liseenop otcast during this time, ecause they have a lot of more time, tha they'retravelling. I guess a lot more and just like different networds are explodingbecause of the circumstances yeah for you guys that are in the potcast theworld. You know potcasts are only going to keep growing. You know you're in yyou're you're in an area where you're starting early you're, like one of theearly I mean podcasting, has been here forever, but it's barely you knowgetting that attention o deserved. You know and you're getting that piece ofreal estate early. You know it's like y 'youere, some of those explorers thatcame to America and you got your piece of property and I guess what in twentythirty years that's going to be very expensive. You know, and you see that,for example, Um even nem accounts on instegram there's. This account calledthe Quan and got yeah you OA. What means well that account just gotbought by for twenty five million dollars by Warner. Brothers, Oh sitjust by creating that digital presence. You know they were able to sell offthat, because it's going to be interesting to warn her brother's'cause. Why that's? Where the attention is, you know, and he created that earlyreal estate, where there was not a lot of mean pages on insucrant, now there'sa million, but he was one of those early pioneers and was able to get thatpiece of real estate. T is TNOT WORTH A lot. 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I did this video.Where Um, I was doing like how you know how Pmovies in Spanish get dubbed and they get like this really cheesy Dubby, like you know they could be saying like.Oh, I really like potatoes and they're like INCUNTENPAPITAS IAS. You know anlike IFOR, an exaggerated voice, so I did that. You know I recorded myself inEnglish and I voiced over. You know in Spanish and then that one had probablylike maybe twenty followers at the time, and then I did that video and it gotlike seven hundred h thousand o views and hundreds of thousands of likes, andI was like Oh wow and suddenly, like my Fathercan, went up to five thousand.You know, and I was like okay yeu could start Createng more of this compan. Inoticed why I could hate d since it was such a young platform. I was like okay,I can even put someone new stories here and I aing some new store saw thoseperforming and then slowly I started you know putting a little bit of both.You know. I still do you know like some cheesy skips in there. You know I I doM my news and I try to Throwin a little bit of everything and mixing it up, butthat onn for sure it started off wit, like a comedy video that I did and thenI ge into a platform, and then people r realize oh he's a reporter and theystarted Rrobli me for for Fr those reasons as well. You know not justbecause I was this guy doing the comedy thing, but I am also don like reportingand all that stuff and in terms of an actual new story that I got big well,there's been a few because I used to work in the capital in California and you know, would often be in thenational news doing a lot of coverage, but a stor Za for me that spans outthat I really like ecovery Um I'll, keep it sports related. I Um I did the last game of the Golden StateWarriors in at Oracle Um and the way that I made that one news was it's thelast game. So I went out to the city and the field of the Latinos. You knowhow they fout Aboutte e, say, worries and ended up finding a bunch of greatcharacters of people that were really big warriors fans. You know and then,for that I got my M B, a game six pass and I was able to go and watch andwatch the game right there in the in the front and enjoy it. You know, andit was awesome being able to to go to a game sex where the rapters licted, theMB Championjhin. I won, you know, and that was awesome to be there. You know-and that was a story that got sent out throughout all of California, becauseyou know it was. It was sports related and then there's also these otherstories that I did this one got a lot of antention as well as these nuns thatIl grow and make wheed products. So here you have a Nune. You know she hasher like her address and her whole pain and she's Moking, a blunt Ou, a camera,and I a I haveher. I told her all thi side 'cause. She did the whole process.I could caget Yo Cama smoking. Your joint Ca Butell, she put you shee andtells me she's, like Apltil after we do all the interview and and shooting,because it's going to get me dumb, 'cause she's, like we grow good stuffhere and kids Yore, not actwe got a contact, Tha just recording her, but mystory starts off like this. You know: you've got a nunnighting it up smoking.The joint that's going to get your attento you're Goingna want to watchthat you know. So. That's definitely a story that I that ive definitely hadfun. It's gotten a lot of attention you know by, but it because of the nature,ofal story and something Ifeel like like box media.They do a lot of stories like around stuff like that, and they gain a lot ofa lot of traction online. But a lot E, don't really consider them like newsource, but they do a lot of videos with like crazy stuff and they theyeven ca categrize themself, as as the news entirty, and they get a lot ofvews andthey. Making a lot of money too box is a is a huge company. Now, and-and I love it because they they went into a space that we were lacking inyou know in terms of Ecause, I do consider the Manus entity of yourcreating useful content you're in news entity. You guys have sportsbroadcasters just because you don't have the million dollars set up. Itdoesn't make you sports, crastcasters, you're, you're, broadcasting, sportsand you're. Talking about what you like, you know, and that makes you that youknow, and I feel like Wox, you know found an opportunity where they're likehey. We need a lot newing togetr at the times and it's very visual platform.They do a lot of in information, an...

...graphits in terms like that and thesame way advice. You know they go ancreidle stories, they go and createthose stories they go. N' to talk to you know the the those h naticals, those drug bealers. You knowthose stories where you know the traditional media doesn't gon to andthey give you that you know that explanation and that extra comtacts andthey found their their their platform and that real estate. I guess againstgoing back to that term. You know they they found their little piece of realestate and news and othey're huge and now what es? Like the last question,what do you feel sports media is headed to you feel like it's all been donelike it's all like around interviews or like this stuff now were Um stuff likegeethreport, though play like FIFA with like a soccer player, do you feel, likesports vias heading into that direction? Oh Man, I think it's interesting. Ithink a D there's a lot of future and I don't think all of it has been done,especially with all we don't know what the next platforms are going to becoming out in the future. You know and how that's GOINGNA play into effect,but for you guys, I mean ate like there's always an opportunity right nowyou have the big opportunity to stick to talk. You know you could claim yourpiece of real estate there. I personally haven't really found anyonethere. That gives me highlights that I want to consume in sixtack now you haveto find tha way on how to do that. You know it. Cant just be like howtraditionally in stone on TV, and I'm got to find your format to do it thereand what works an Iti, some expermentation. But if you come up withan original context that works, I bet you that's some piece of area. That'sgoing to keep growing, you know and people are going to start a exploit inthat area. You know it's also in streaming. Man Like you, said in PEFA.You know. If y? U You? U can be talking about,you know you can very easily. I have a friend that loves SCULA, LaoselleBaramolez and when we're playing Peopa like were planinging Al Yol, Mel O, O oLaston, you know and then just talking snack, you know OL Yo in aalabe,Olonasn't possiive, you know and they talk so much back and I'm alway herecrying laughing when I'm playing with them online, anse, they're so funny. II've do friends that they just go back and forth and I'm like do you Hav to doa twitch? You know stream yourselves. You Know Ol Min some fepon. She chite aexactly man everybody's doing that you know and you hop on there and you maybein hit's, not talking smek like these guys, but you two are like all rightman, so today W'e we're going to give you h some something about, and this isjust bespitting an an idea. You know a little preview of the ARTENAL MANCTOunited game, my boy adaris going to be Arsenol I' Non whop Hem and I'm GOINTABE MAC, Tho United. So what do you think? Oh well, you know what I thinkWilliam's gonna, you know, Goinna have a really great game and then you startin diving into it. Asyou're playing the game. You know, like maybe that'sanother area, t t you could get some some attention in. You know knowing it,though a twigh, so I feel like there's a lot of opportunities that are goingto be coming up in different platforms, but it's about who gets with itimmediately because remember if y, if you don't do it, somebody else is goingto do and they're going to come and they're going to do it. You know andthat's what happened with the Quan. You know Hes D got into it early and hestart posting his nams early and now he's sitting on twenty five milliondollars. You know and it's getting with it and finding- and I think you guyshave a great advantage, because you know what you want to do y. You know its, it has to be sports for you guys. You know, and if you straight true thatI mean very easily, you guys can get very corporate jobs and you know andforget about it. But then that's where your dream's go to die right. Youe,Kinda, gotta go and Puch fored and work for it and know that it's going to betough and know that no one's going to be watching you for a very long time.But you say with that consistency you can really grow with it or growyourself into a position that you can apply to a place that you want to be inthat. Maybe you don't have the qualifications right now, but you couldin a few years that's a lot of. He gave some jams,onfe ao O, be teaching on Ow that stick Todaos yoused to likesell icord n. So like how do I ban? These are just bpalin ideas, but youknow it's about getting with it and understanding and understanding how itWorris and still myself, I'm not as I'm not as good on social men as I could be.You know, and I need to be better about that and I feel like we all. We allneed to understand that. That's where the direction is, you know, andunderstanding and applaying you know and sitting down and creating yourcontent and formetting it its not just fit bowling and standing there and justkind of doing it. It's putting a little bit of thought behind it and how am Igoing to execute and have a little plan and then that Plin gives you yourguyline. You know from Hereonto the end and you know for you guys. You know,even if, for example, dontal trunk comes out and and throws a bombing inRussia, that's not going to be in your show man unless they throw it in asoccer stadium. Then that's fbecause R, covering sports. You know and people goto you to cover sports to watch sports. You know, so you need to youee to findyour area and say this is what we're going to cover, and this is what we'regoing to say truth to, and this is what we're going to do and Yo. If you have aplan and you keep going with it, it's Goingna work, yeah yeahoiand, then,before we end the potcast wha do you think is gon.Who Do you think has a better star right now in terms of like possiblywinning the Champisa, an European soccer, orsom Mufo, no man ill C, likenot...

...man, no Ooh, that's a tough one man oo, Yoer pull just be Chels to O andask you all they did yeah they be. They beat Hem to zero, so theyrthey also wontheir first two games, Tonham dicae tlkn about earlier signs, cort fourgoals and they have bell coming in too then I got that right. Bag onid isNamin Championsis di they finishd top Hor. I think they finish causcause Ithey did. TNHIM has a really good chance. 'cause they got minosbell Son KWell Toe ar horse for Thi, coming JANGERS ON SA they're on Eaese or forsure, but I mean I got to go onon my ad Pan, so I I gotto say Matheri, but Ihonestly, I think, they're going to have a good of a hard time, but municMa Andbir, munic, theyr aages, beast 'cause. They just killing, they wontheir first league am e zero, Nads Eron. I Guess I yon now D, that's like theywere already good and they they got even better. We had an an yeah. I think they have. They have agood opportunity. I know. Viago just went over to liverplaer. Everbul alwayshas a good chance. Paris, they have the money ManchesterCity that got the money. You know so they're always contenders, but theythey need to get to that next level, but for sure I think the bestopportunity still bired. You know to do m to do or repeat they got a reallygood team right now, but we'll see man we'll see, I'm o I'm stil, praying forfor Ra, oreve or Ami Wen, but we'll see, and I feeling mansiond a city wouldhave reach that next himit they would assign messy 'cause they've, alwaysBeenur they've done good domestically, but and your like European wise, I feellike they need that extra piece, even though their team is like stack notlike they nethey need o mess. I wel Mesy would have definitely made M. I Imean I'm I'm not a fan, I mean I'm a fan, O messy how he plays. I thing heplays beautiful soccer, I'm just not a fan of him. 'cause he's in baselonayeah. I Have Bo hate on him, but once you put Mansy on any team, I feel likeespecially aftma stack as Mancester city, their famos an win and that'ssomething that might happen next season. You know. The only reason I see didn'tleave is because the president of n tddt allow the transfer they didn't getset them off. You know so I mean h. They had to play this crazy peep forhim. So as he said, I'm TA TCORAEO my so to stick it out and I'm going toleave the next season. So I think that's something that's going to happenunless they miraculousy- and I say that miraculously when the champion Si, thenmaybe he will say plid. I doubtaman, lest on Te Seein, maybe like three good,like solid players but wish I fee like they're, not the window closes in likea month, so I don't think they're going to really sign anybody else. Other thanprobby Orgino des American Wa have another American, probably either goingto Bearmunich or Orsamona w the thing about Barsilona. You knowyou remember. They brought all the players up from Amasia, you know whenthey had. You know that old school style of m. What do they call it? TTOTAL totalfootball. You know which comes from way back in a day from Groov. You know andthethree formations yeah W W with Johan. You know it's that total Foba theylearn in. He learned in Ajag Bronit set Oplamacia brought European success forthem. That Warala was under himd that one of Therla was coaching. These youngkids brought hem up with that mentality, and I feel, like a lot of people, arestarting to realize that farming, your players is, is the way to go anBasalona in recent years ever since they switched that Presidente, antwenty fourteenth and they've been trying to buy these star players. ManThey've been dropping a lot of Doug on players that are not from Tho that arenot thl, not fitting their identity, because it's very hard to play in thatsystem. Man Look at the players that don't FA. You know like even even aHamoage that have been in that system Haoe, because sometimes what it meansfor them is. If you move here, then that means the other player has to comearound the area. Even though that you have an open opportunity to go throughyour CHANP, your job is to send the Passover. You know and a lot of playersforget that and the Golfer shot, and I guess what that means you get bants.You know you don't pit in Tha balona system, because Basalona doesn't planto wintropece but Saon a place to Wan beautiful and they believe that theirmentality and their Mentra they played it, went champion h. They don't play toin championship. They play to play beautiful, and that bringschampionships down the line and I feel like they strayed a little bit fromthat identity in recent years and until they get back into that pacte. That'swhen it's H, Aonis going to start doing well again: Yeah 'cause, even liketheyrmost it was an onclike. Yesterday, Recardo Wek, like the next me Oll, nowing to se the next Messe, building and NEX hehaser coming up. It was announcedthat Coman, the new coach he wants to send him AC, O Pind, a new tingin yeah.He taught him shut up like I don't have you contemplated for this season, go gosomewhere where Weu're actually going to play and thats crazy to think asaffeelling after UNSO futty, that's probably like the best youngsterBarcelona has onder cin exactly but they're, not they're, not getting himthat time. They just brought this player. How it's his name from Juentus Tani, Japej, pjani, yeah, yeah yeahyeah.They just brought him from Juvay and that took that opportunity from from ayoungster. You know, so it's like exactly projecting they shipped overand even younger kid. You know say:...

Arthur Arthurso mad about them. Theyneed to get back, they need to get back to that identity and I think that'swhat's going to help them, but for now I'm going to cash in on buyer Munic,Hanin Cumponi this year. I don't want to. I don't want it. I don't want it. Idon't want it, but I think that's from what we've seen at least last seasonweve got to see how the season goes on and how everybody else performs, but utI gad guys the same thing: Germuion oef, lite home. Never in that's a goodthing! OMITETA! I don't like iponerable you'll, never walk alone. Man. Are youa FR, merely cey like wel? I, I would definitely say I'm a united fend. OhYese, W we had a tough one with Crystal Palace. We won't discuss that in this podcast.We won't discuss that WHA. It's like why. I vanda Lita stared,that's someting, Ma Dod, like you just signed a player Goung, soyou're not going to start hem off fron your first game, Elni wor came in as aseventy scord. We start off at the left with the left onstead with the right,but we we're getting better. You know wehad a hard time since Alex Ferguson left him. We haven't really goten anyshit together. I feel like that. Chevarlet sponsor is a curse on thatscene on like ever since they started wearing that t. It was Logal ever time we start wearing that ugly sLov go on Tho on the Stomach d. We haven't watched it, so I wihoula staywit Nin I Sawniki chichanee liking yeah man. Those were the uniforms AC, Wenformeldo was on there I alike, one of a sais yeah. You thinkera back like Mers of him like leaving afterthis season with yumental hat. They don't want or anything, maybe maybe Icould. I would love to see him back, but I think oothe might want to come tothe. U S O 'cause. He he's a Familyas Yor family man. Now I mean you W yejust Uain coming downoto Miami Ye with the Gr Control Arf, Oh yeah, Ier Askn, about that. I I was reading about them Os Mali. I think it has alot of room to grow. I think especially he arth quanks. They just got whoopedwhat Sixzero or something like that yesterday by Oh six, one againstPortland m. So it definitely has a long way to go. I feel like they have to doa lot of work. You know even just rang NP base. You know like Thet Omo, atleast from what I've seen you know like community work or be involved in thecommunity, and I feel like that's where it starts off. You know, because youneed to get those one interest in the team, two youngsters that start playingfor that F R for that and setting up academies M for youngsters from poorkcommunities or rich communities to play, because here you can, you can get asuddenly pickup team, but what happens in those Sumen? They tick up! Leagues,you know, half of the team is crual. You know they BN drinking agre. Half a half time'cause, we playe, we se al the time we Gen Plane Sundtin for couple O to years, and we see it. Yeah they'llbe like drinking at halftime and I'm like whirh in O, win exactly and thenfor kids, like you guys, you're stuck with that and guess Whele you're stuckthere and you don't move up to Han nexlevel because that's you know theenvironment that you're in and that's your competition that you're in. But ifyou want to play club Guss what get ready to shell out thirty, five hundredbucks for your kid every season, a whole paol and his fot and our familiescan't do that. Our A lot of our families Canpai. You know that perseason. So, that's why you only see those going Gepos that are killing it nin high school, because they've been you know, playing and getting the th the evelopment that they need, andthey might not be as talented as you, but they've been through this processthat they've been trained, and I feel like that's where the amlesses to dothat: Cultureship and create camps and academies and Youth Academies that arebased on talent and on merit, rather than how much you pay into going intothat club. You know and having scout and identifying young Tallen from ayoung age, because soccer is a very young sport that you can start showingif you're, good or not by fourteen fifteen. Sixteen even hen te find theseyoungsters that are working Harr, taking them out. Maybe outofl be SundayLeagues where therre smoke they they're prone to at one point: Even it startetgetting joied Ot ucked up, you know or smokl hooking. You know, inm gettingdeviated and giving them more concentration. You know sending themdown the right path, educating them and then developing that and that createsmore attractive soccer. At the same time, since you're doing that communityengagement people are going to start coming more to the stadiums you know,you're getting the community involved. They're Gonto, be that they're going tobe supporting you, especially if you're winning games, so it has to be a wholecultureship and I think it can be done I'll. Give you an example and just toclose off in New Mexico. There's a USL team, there's the UNAP New Mexicounited, and they just started last season, and now they have the highestattendancs in the USL, but they're very community based they're they've, gotteninvolved with all the artists locally they're, creating an entire differentculture. I guess what their stadiums are packed. Andthe team is conformingwell. Why? Because they started with the community instead of like here's, asports team come watches. It's like no...

...here's, a sports team for you guys- andthis is why we want to earn your trust. They have a local sponsor. They, thepartner with with local artiss e there's. This collectav called M Ouland they've made a veryd arts and culture. UNNESSY MEXICON is arts andculture. So you get that involved with soccer my brother, never like soccer myolder brother who lives in New Mexico. He never liked soccer this dude as aseason ticket holder for New Mexico, united and he diuse to like Tas Ir'cause and they're able to capture. I guesswhat my brother now talks to me about soccer. He asks me questions. You knowhe has his own Jersey. You know I pnt on he's into economic, so I sent them abook. I rean on soccer economic, a I was like you really like how theprocess of economics and soccer work. You know, here's a book you know andhow he's reading and he's interested in it. So you're trying you that's whatyou get. You know those you know those people that are like isoccer. No, weneed to come to one of the games against now, but it needs to be acommunity and be an environment, and I think that's what the MLS needs to do once they start doing that. They'regonna they're, going to go up, because if there's something that the? U S hasits money, man and, and I think it's only going to go upit's going to keep growing and then and near you guys. You know you have thesacrament of Republic, that's going to be coming up, they're getting a newstadum on there. He downtown area and Sacramento Republic Games get crazy andthat's going to be a good thing for that city, and hopefully you know itkeep building in these other in the usls they start building the the seconddivision league. They start building these commuters, like what's happeningin Mexico and Games, that attraction ofor people to want to watch C nls.They need to need to make an attractive or and get. I really B like. I feellike a lot of journalists too, like make some try to get like a beereporter out there for that USL team or get a beat reporter for the MOS for thelocal newspaper exactly or for you guys. Look you have an opportunity with twoteams in your area. You know- maybe that's a I don't know if there's manyreporters doing covering mls, you know, but you could be the bee reporter forthe earthquakes and then that's a good opportunity for you, two boys to go andwatch the games every weekend and then go to the Sacramento Republic. Anescover them too. You know- and maybe you don't need that credential pasturesyeah they're not might not give you that, but you could buy those cheapseats at the stands. You know eeven record. You know the environment thereand included in your podcast. You know like Ey, and so we went to was SOB.Uyso were righ here at the Sacramento Republic ane. You know the people inHoir bags ing you know creating that beat for you guys or the Amalis andstart making it attract, thim and Joralist, putting and pushing thatcunten bout and showing others how exciting it is and pushing it out, andI think that's what they need to do. They ee to market a little bit betterand they ee o focus o Hay, Ateryeah 'cause, something I was communicatingwith one of the people who work with the sous ine earthquakes and I wasasking her like what do they do like for heritage nights and stuff like that,and she was saying like Oh like they have like a Latino night and all theygive away is like a blanket and I'm like. Well, you want to reach likeYoure, like your main audience I feel like is Mexicans, especially withMaameda, even though his Margentina, but he's coming from TWAS, was wad onon neiece whos, Mexican AOS Seattle as Mexican e. You want to reach theaudience and you're giving away like blankets for Latino night like theyneed to do a lot more to reach that yeah. They need to get in the communitymen, but once they do acteel like they'll r theyneed to do it, need to doin that. Well, thank you for Recen Obrole, guyssospeci thin ARD, as today, Migogomez all his social mede woild be on thedescription and yeah w rat aet. So, like the videose fire ye SAR, is your mom e Ou Dad Yeah? That's it! Thank you as me Goee. It was awesome talking to you guys.

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