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Episode 8 · 1 year ago

Goat Talk Podcast 008 | Solano College Soccer Coaching Staff Interview, Coach and Sport Psychologist

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

In episode 008 of Goat Talk, Alonso Frias and Edgar Padilla interview the coaching staff of the women's soccer team from Solano Community College in Fairfield. Jeff Cardinal, and Kevin Marks offer an inside perspective on how the corona virus has affected the team, how players deal with stress, how mental skills training and psychology help the team succeed, the mental process of a youth soccer player throughout his life, how SCC acquired a World Cup golden boot winner as an assistant coach, how the Seattle Seahawks helped prepare Marks for his role, and what Solano needs to do in order to grow as a soccer community, among other topics.

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Welcome Mary, my this is a episode dateof Goldtok and we have two new special guests. Today, yeah we have the SlanoCommunity College, Women's soccer head coach, Jeff Carnal, as well as the highperformance and mental schools coach Kevin Marks, which also does Strengcoditioning for the team. So the morning, how were doing good are you?Could you tes like by yourself yeah, so I'm Solomo College Women' Soccer Eadcoach,'m actuall? This is year, nineteen for me, it's aons. I've been there a longtime. Most of my career has been coaching soccer, the junior collegelevel. I did that it a couple of communy colleges before then, and thenI've been doing it ever since it Salano for twenty years and then, of course,we teach can he teeology, we teach oother classes as well. It's long aspart of our full time position see an with me. You got it on the hyperformance, coach, and so with that entails is mental skills which isreally kind of rapt around sport. Psychology and the NSTRENGTHconditioning as well in. In addition to that, I teach in the psychologydepartment Herisalano so fired up ton of fun IV. A. Let me ask Cardinal About Uh from when you first started. He saidthis is you're nineteen right. How has it like evolved from Bentona Yeah? I mean it's it. It's prettysimilar Um from what I started as far as the level lies in. Ah, it stays pretty consistent APRO.You know from the from the beginning years, until the later years, as far asthe level and you now transferrnt players on ot the four year level,that's KINDOF been pretty consistent. Nn, I would say the four year levels gottena little higher, because when we first started off, there weresome programs that were maybe more of a division three or an ANA IA level, andnow their division too, and so they're transferrent players onto some of thoselittle tougher, because you got to have a higher level athlete and I ier levelplayer, but in terms of junior college, has been pretty consistent. Our teemshave been pretty consistent over the years we had. We did have some years Um, maybe like in year. Five and year nineand ten, where we were at a much higher level than we normally are, but for themost part those are kind of our banner our banner years, where we went thefarthest but and in all the other years that we've been there, we've been um pretty much it the same levelconcluding right now, okayand. How has like Corona affected the team in termsof like scouting and preparation like ffiguring out a schedule because ofthis hole. 'cause, you can't have like one on one meetings or when I'm onetrainnd right now. So it's all it's all online, and so that's definitely a big impacton the athletes in terms of Um th y. They they want tobe there in person. That's por part of the reason they're involved inathletics is the whole social part of it or that they want. You know the partbeing up with the team and meating Ou team, ates and players and whatnot andso and of course, getting coached by the and gettingtrained. You know on the field, and so since the covetar started, that'sreally chaning B'cause everything's been online. That's been, I think, it'sit's a pretty big impact on the on the STU athletes and and the coaches too,there's no ti tring. It like like having like like a shorter season orsomething yeah. What they did there is there. Isthe season got me to the spring sowith everything going on: they, they decidedthat they weren't going to do any fall. Sports or athletics Te Calls Level andactually they they. If you Y, you probably already know this by watchingjust the news and everything everywhere is kind o did that initial swischeverything to the spring. So that's hat we're doing right now andwe're waiting to see how it's going to look in the spring. We hopefully we'llhave a season in he spring and it will go it'll, be a little shorter andobviously look a little bit different because we're always playing in thefall, and so we right now we're just trainingkeeping in shape and to get ready and look forward to the spring season,which is scheduled to start like in Februaryand N in March beginn of April Ohso, yeahis kindof similiar to like the highschool one, we're going to start in December. Os Aut, practicing and stufflike that and thi season starts, were supposed to hand basically itwas goingto start like at the end of February yeah. So everything's moved to thespring. So that's kind of what at least at the junior college and high schoollevels. They are pushing all the sports to the spring. Instead of trying to dosomething in the fall okay and then in terms of thatlike. Howdo you find your team chemistry 'cause? I feel like especially like club knockclum like high school teams and collegeteams. I do them like as a national team because they're getting playersfrom like different areas from...

...different clubs, but how do you findthat Chemestry, especially since they've been coached by like differentcoaches and they've, played they play like on different teams? And now theyall come together to play on one team for Falona right well under normal times? Thesummer training for us is is is key, that's a big thing, because yeah we gotplayers from all different high schools in all different cities, an Salono andeven some other areas that are coming together. So what's what I we do atSalano, we do a eight week summer, training session. I think that that'sbig, because during those eight weeks, you're tryingto duild that chemistry, like you, said and Kindo gaint, some of these playerswhoave never played together before Um on the same page and working togetherbefore that fals season starts. I will say, though,that there's been many occasions that Salono over the years, including thelast couple of years where, although we have players from many different areas,Um this last two years before this year, we had about six or seven players whodid play plub together, Tala, I red alot, actually Ol our teams, so thatreally help because they've already they know each other personally already,but then they've also played with each other for years and years and years onon club teams, and so we've had that hapened quite a few times we'll try toget. You know there than a few of those clubtogether and then what's what happens? You get a couple of them and usually acouple more will follow and helps out the recruiting so and then this question kind of for bothyou guys. But how do you help players deal with like stress time, managementand work, loats O since they're all student athletes yeah thoughtfulquestion, because that is at the center of what a lot of the athletes gothrough. You know, especially at our level where therere not only athletes,theyre student athletes and some of which hat fulltime jobs or part timejobs, relationships and many many things going on, and so and then, of course, we add to Copinineteen o the mix and that kind o adds a little bit of that Afuel it the fireand so every person's a little bit different.You mention the chemistry of the team and how that Canoo plays out, and so Ilike that, Jo because what happens is that each individual so unique andthere is no one size fits all, and so, when you put it in the vigual in a teamcomponent or that context, which we call a situation, there is even morevariables at play, and so we spend a lot of time working on just that on thepower of the culture and again so every every HAP is different. When it comesto stress house rest shows up, you know some questions to think about, andthat's usually where we start with our APLACAS. We we ask him a lot ofquestions you know and that ties into chemistry as well. We want to get toknow each other, so we can lock arms and go. Do you know difficult shittogether? You know that we hold ourselves accountable, and so you knowbasic questions you K Ow, even for you guys is, is how had a stress show upfor you. You know some people, it's it's more covetive. You know they thinkabout things. A lot they ere worryin on things tore apprehensive about thatascertainty. The Times run right now and then maybe some other people it'smore of a. We call, SOMADIC representation, as so, it shows upphysically, they have headaches, they have migraines and so there's a lot ofdifferent ways. We look at it some people, it's a little mixture of hold,and so the first thing that we do is we try to drill down on that, and sothat's where I come in and work withoutthis without a one to try toreally figure out. How does it show up? How does it show up for them and really like what you saidespecially about time management? I think we hear that term Alie Yaan Co. Ireally think that that's at the center of a lot of issues that we see amongyoung athlets at the freshman n Sophomore level, particularly at thecommunity college level, he has been able to not just manage time but manageour own mental representation of Howard viewingtime and how ware viewing stress, load and workload to use your word and thenacademic, rigor, there's so many things going on, and so we get clear on what that isagain. There is no oncize Pensol Tut. There are specific patterns thatemerged, one of which is a lack of self awareness, so I fall on the side of you know the suncoming up, so I'm really optimistic, and so I look at this opportunity or Ilook at this Coba nineteen situation as an opportunity and here's what I meanis: We've spent a lot of time in the offseason right now, working on what wecall psychological, brainwork and really what that is, is self awarenessso how we go and manage all the stress, n, the chaos of time management- andyou know all this stuff- that we're talking about load, we're clobingyou're talking about well, there's,...

...there's a lot of things, but one ofwhich is what we call self awareness and there's a perception that we havehigh self awareness. I think with our young achles and- and I think the workthat we do has shown. Otherwise is that thereis actually a lock of selfawareness, and so we spend some time working on that and meaning l. What islike? What are they all about Asin as a person who are they like who areIMEANASEC question? This is a philosophical question, but like whoare we? Who are we becoming, how we view situations as a threat as anopportunity, or is it a challenge, and then lately we've been working on thethree W so how we pulls together with stress managing all this stuff. Is Youknow what his hyperformance look like? I mean think about this bellows, foryou guys like right now, with what you're doing you don T, askask yourself enquessions, you know what is high performance look like for you.What does it feel like when it feels good to be you right? What does itsound like in your head when you're on it like when you're, really being youat your best, that's the Wat, then we ask the wile. Why Ans it that you'redoing what you're doing? Why is it important O us really important,because when you're getting punched in the mouth because of a cobein nineteensituation or fires and smoke everywhere in the worlds, you know flipped upsidedown? We start to question ourselves. Why? Why why why? So we want to addressthat question like way now and then the last part is where know where are wegoing and that's kind of a long term stretch school and Al? Those keep usconnected to this framework. You know that self awareness that allows us tostay in the game, and then we also use a lot of that with that team chemistryas well, and so there is a very long way to explain a very complex. You knowsituation that we're definitely in right now npercent and I feel like alot of players. They need to realize how college is like that, basically,that final stub, before like possibly turning pro so like, I feel likementally, they should go into that into that atmosphere and be like to out tohave to perform out a very high pea and b consistent throughout the wholeseason and that's wher. I fe, like the mental thing, comes in Oh dude, you got et right there. Whatyou said his consistency is what we've seen from the data research and justreally also you know you j t see it is consistency, there's reasons whyperformers were consisted and they were from, we cost thirty framework. Youknow they don't wait until they're getting punched in the mouth to figureout how they're going to think about things when they're getting punched inthe mouth. That makes sense. So it's almost like learning how to swim whilewe're drowning. We don't want to do that. I don't want to wait till I getinto a divisional level practice to see howthings are going to go based on now, I'm Gointa feel werewe called out. Wedon't want to do that. We want to get ahead of that at's called front loaning,so we're not slowly trained our mind before we test it publicly. You know,and so that leads of that consistency. Now it takes workman there's. No, it isnot easy, a taste. Those are hard questions to ask and answer as wellthose inrespected questions, and then you know being able to train every day.Dane an te outstaing connected to who we are. It's not easy. It's not easy toshow the world who you really are. You know on the field or just in general,inthe, yeah Y, so you're asking as far asstress and the student athlete and, of course, kind of Bein, the head coachkind oflookinoversea, and that whole that whole thing thi student athlete today you can'tmention this: it's it's a different stude athlete than we had, let's sayfive, maybe ten years ago, the difference for me is there's moregoing on nonethere. You know they have the work,they have the family and have the school. They have their social timethey're on their cell phone time right. We spend a lot of time ening. All ofthese things that before maybe we didn't have, we didn't do anless and they they tend to take moreon. It seems like they all want to work, whereas there there's been some timesin the past, where I'd have stedent athletes who were really focussed andthey were looking at their academics was a high priority for them. Anathletics was a high priority and they would not they wouldn't work or if theyworked, it was very little now your fines, stuten athletes is very commonfor them to work. Twenty thirty hours, a weekr war, plus their full time,students plus they're, playing a sport and we're travelling, and we got allthis kind of stuff going and a and an their families wants them to do allthese kind of social events. At the same time, crazy, soyou're doing a lotof things today, verses tpers before so that makes it a little more challenging, but h. So that's changed over the years,like I said in the Athletesaluen Torom, but in terms of handling someindividual situations and and you mentione time management as well. Weactually Hevin actually leads like a time management workshop if you will-or at least lecture- and we go over...

...some some things on on what their timemanagement should look. Most of them, I would say, have some time managementskills, but I think everybody or something still to learn yeah Iimaginee and the way we approach it as we approach it from a student athleteperspective to wher. Okay, look: First of all, you gotta Y Committet to asoccer team, so you' got to mark out that time in terms of what you're goingto be doing throughout the day. So and then you put your classes in all thatkind of stuff, so we KINDOF show them hey. How do you build your weakschedule? When do you? You know? Throw in some study time you know be: consistant, have some routines and that kind of stuff. So we go over that with them.I think that that helps him in terms of that and then on the other thing as faras these stuent athletes dealing with all this kind of stuff 'cause, youmentioned stress and theyre stress, and there could be other psychologicalthings that they're dealing with as well. That is that's why I brought in coachmarks and I saw a need for that and I said hey you know what as time goes onand by the way. This is the hottest thing going like in in sports andathletics right now, as mentto skills, s is like the hotdest thin th t. Thatis the number one yeah o. What he can do is individually, whereas maybe asthe headcoach. I can't really do because I'm dealing with the whole team,he does the one on one trainings with the athletes that he can pull them in,and maybe he can help him in certain areas and maybe- and I can help themtoo- and the other coaches can help him too, but he's doing it in differentstructured way. Poras we're just KINDOF. Do It on the fly like when we ever seesomething comes up, we kind of address the athlete and stuff, and so I think,that's really valuable in our portment in the program and with everythinggoing on, and wit s some issues going on, and then we even mentioned the Goganow which another psychological thing to have to do with, because it changestheir ole lifestyle and their hole. Um, that's very important to have that inthe program. So that's kind of why I had the idea doing the mental skills asbecause they can handle that individual thing and in addition, it's not just an individual one. On onething, which I think a lot of things can be helped an you know those typesof trainings ont on one with the athletes can that can kindo, maybe helpthem through orn ARA oing Oneonn really make a difference for them. But inaddition to that, we also do the mental schools training, as a team too, whichis another, I think, is very mortinsesand. You mentioned before likebuilding he chemistry and that kind of stuff and that all ties into what we'retrying to do on the field. We have teap training sessions and mental skillsthat, in addition of the on one, so with all that kind of stuff, I thinkthat that's really important to to have inthe program to help out with those things. So I wander to ask Camin about a like.Do you go through anything personally and it's like you do? How do you goabout it? Yeah? Absolutely I mean don't we allwrite we're all no one's immune to you knowthe situations that were in, and so I think for me personally. It has taken me a while to adjust andwe all have what we go through. We call an adjustment Fase, and so we have Imean Geez. We were in March midmarks, our whole world got flipped utside nown,and so I ceese I culd tell Yo. I don't know, since March has probably been maybe two weeks ago, three weeks ago,where I just now finally ha figure out a bit ofa BEAP to get back on a routine to get back into what I do to think. Clearly,a lot of it was really tough for me, because I really enjoyed the bibe ind,the energy of not just the athletes, but because they'reamazing, but also I love to be in the class, an in a psycone class that, assixty seventy students, the energy, the Bibe, I just loved that- and that wasall of a sudden gone, and there was a bit of an adjustment for me with that,and then secondly, was the fact that I have just like students all this stuffgoing on and then our time frame is now open, ended, there's no slots, there'sno Oky! I have to be here at that time. We need to be there at that time. So mytime demand was the same, but it was more of an open ended, scheduledcomponent. So specifically, one of my struggles was, and still is, I'm stillworking with this is trying to figure out ways to declare that the Samt dothat I've done work, because I love what I do. I'm so passionate and Icannot believe I get paid to do what I do and so working with athletes beingin education at the level that we're at and being taken care of, and so manydifferent ways having the resources. All this stuff is so much fun. I thinkthis thing, one of for me that the struggle was was really trying tofigure out ways to you know, pull back and say that I'm done because when Iwas at the college I would come home. I was done. You know I didn't bringthings with me. Now: T's everything's merged your mea everything to eat Herso,it's all like together, so that was my...

...struggle was to be able to pull thatapart and try to figure out. Ways to you know be more present here a wholewhen, when there's a lot of that murkiness, I guess there's so muchinterface between what I do and then what I do at home. Where was it usuallythat it wasn't that leve in the past, so that I think that was one of theears d that I continue to try to work on Ye 'cause. I feel like too, I feel likesoccer an my perspective. They've become a lot more mental. Like you,don't really see aggression like in the field like a lot of like shovingpushing. I mean you see that often, especially in the college level, but Ifeel like it's a lot more tace Obu, like players, think about what they'regoing to do before they receive the ball, and I feel like a lot of yellowcars are because of tactical fells, especially like in professional sports,like they won't just to slide tack with somebody or like you, only sa that,like in Sunday leade for example, but in college, I feel like it's become alot more mentil, especially with like anxiety and all this stuff, like theythink a lot about what they're going to do with the ball and how they're goingto like progress on the field. I don't know what you has as perspective as onthat Yeah Yeah welloit's alike, that agetanother thawful way of looking at it. And one thing when we look atcontemporary congage of psychology in the way that we operate and store andorganize our thought patterns is one of which is, we can't stop Ot. We can'tget out of our head, and so I think some athletes. They might have astatement such as this O. I'm in my head too much I'm thanking too muchguess what that's what you should be doing, and so ote Ting e thing is. Isthat depends on how you're, organizing things we might need to turn a volumedown? We might need turn of turn on volume up on certain Bob Hatters. Wemight need you reshoffle things at certainth at certain times, such aswhen you're in transition, an soccer and there's a quick transition, there'se certain things you're thinkingabout compared to when there's a penalty, kick okay. When there's abreak in action, that's a different thought pattern than Han like I justset transitionor when you're pushing up, you know pushed it up with all with theLeng in the field, and so we need to be more good beginning. I think it goesback to that selfawareness, because athletes that are so they're selffocused they're attaching to thought patterns that don't help im and soathlets theirself aware they can look and see then sauce for what they are.They can pivot and adjust and have the right thought patterns now again,there's a lot of work. We do with that, but I guess to make it simple: Is thatyeah we need to be thinking respecially soccer at so rapid fire things changeso quickly. We need to be thanking on the field and there's there's no suchthing. It's like not. You know no mind or no thoughts. Those are justsemantics, maybe in different ways of saying flow, state or a zone being inhis on where we have a perception of no consciousness but flow state in zonestates are are really replete whath. What we callawareness we're aware of what's going on, and so that is a really good pointthat syou brought ut. Oh, I was going to ha las so for l, Ke any advice, I'm building likea stronger lintoly, O e mental orecause. I feel like a lot of playerslike bring themselves down like I feel likethey. Don't have them in Tower Ay.If you miss like a shop right yeah, am I going to miss the next one, yeah othat I think of that. You know I and happen o welcome not on to being humanright. You know. The first question is: There's a lot of questions to address,but one of them is like you know: Do you want to be good at what you're,when you're doing you want to really get better? You think you can getbetter. That goes back to GROT mindset right. If you think you can get betterthan there's some growt there, we can get better and then the next questionwould be. How is your relationship with mistakes right most of modern day fearis different than back in Sarageti we used to be afraid of the saver TrothTiger, Hun Chason sto survive now modern day. Fear is we're so beingafraid of looking backut Yah er teek on the other side of Miking mistakes. Soyour question that I would ask myself the question: What's my relationshipwith failure, Wat's my relationship with mistakes and that we need to startthere, you know, and then I would also ask you guys: Do you guys have pets atall? No youall know like a Dogis as talng about theers kind of a littlebit into th into the mind game and the fact that it's not simple. It takeswork, it takes training just like traiding, your legs and your body an ormedobolic system. The whole thing. So you take a dog to the park. Let's sayyou take a dog dod, you guys ever have...

...a dog growing up. Oh Yeah, there you go okay, so you takeyour dog to the park for the very first time in the dogs on a leach to take adog in the park, and you take the dog off the leash in a real wide open park.What is the dog going to do o leave and run around Im crazy dude dogs going everywhere he's goingto look at you? Look at the field. Am He's gone and there? What are you goingto do as as an owner? What you're going to do is going to Sa e get back here,Hel Stay B, all the stuff you're going to be telling a dog what to do yellingat that dog. Is that Dogin an listen to you nd? No, not at all! Now. Let's do this.Let's say that you take Abou, I don't know two or three weeks you take thesame dog samely sint Park, take that dog of the park and you train hot. Allyou take that leas off and you systematically train that dog what itmeans to say what it means to heal and you work with the dog a little bit. Then he come back. Like I said in twoweeks you take the leak shop, the Doy's going to look at you, the dog's goingto live in the park to openfield. What is the dog going to do? He's GOINGTO,stay righ, AAs, to's, going to say because he's going to listen to you now,that's very that's similar to the Mina in Competitive Sports. And what I meanis this many athlets. You know they come up and say coach. You know I'mtrying to do this. I can't I can't calm down after a mistake, got too muchanxiety and everything's building up. I tell myself what you said to tellmyself that I just can't do it, but the problem is we're not going to listen toourselves. If we don't train ourselves and basically so we're not we're, notit's not like a black of mental toughness, it doesn't mean we'rementally weak. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work. What it means is we gotto do the Frigang work. We have to train ourselves. We have to putourselves in those situations systematically and get ready forgetting punched in the mouth. Minkion mistakes, and we can totally do it wheyou toally can do you could dissolve pressure. You can actually extinguishit, not you can totally di now. I want to recommend that, because that couldalso lead to some other problems, but we could totally train the mindspacewhen it comes to that. So again, another long way of saying we have to.We have to do the work in the first part with your question with mistakesis, but what's your relationship with mistakes? Do we want to get good or dowe want to look good, and so we we also have some other steps. I don't know howfar you want to go, but there's there's some other steps we take, butfundamentally that's how it works. If you're in the thick of it you get upand give a speech and you're getting nervous and you'retelling yourself do come on Ann just com down, you got this not going towork. In fact, some people makes it worse. If you haven't done the training,Jo three minutes a day, putting yourself in that position before youget in it getting down doing pushuts, Gett your heart rate up and thenworking on yourself talk and then g, giving yourself he opportunity to giveyour speech when you're dog tired. Because that's what's going to happen,you know that's going to mimic that environment, so that's kind of what welook at right. There o think about some of those questions. You know how areyou viewing mistakes? What' your relationship with Bellure, also whatyou was saying like? How do you deal with the mistakes? Um? I think for another thing in Thi Isofar as accepting that mistakes are going to happen. It happens to all ofus and so and understanding that m. So mistakes are going to be made. Failureis going to happen and failure all the good ones h. An fell everybodythey'vegone through that and so you you wantta instead of having a negative. I guessnegative mindset, or you know, dwelling on it, just understand it.That's part of it and if you're not making mistakes, that probably meansyou're not really pushing yourself too much to t to the highest level and Ysothose are going to happen. Those mistakes are go are going to happen and, like I said, all the good ones gogo through it and experience it, and if, if you know that ahead of time and the other thing too is when youmake a mistake- let's say it's Durng a game. It' Y, you have to move on and you haveto just do withthat after the fact you know after the. So you have a mistake:Do the game forget about it, move onto the next one and then keep keep pushingforward versus just thinking about it the whole time? And so you got to savethat for the end, so we in our in our in th in the soccer environment, covensworking the athletes. We call that judging and we put a big emphasis onlike EG, don't judge during the game. Don't make any judgement you gottoperform and you gotto just keep consisting and go for it the whole game,and when do you actually come back to that moment of failure or or mistake,is after the fact when, when the whole thing is done and over, then you can goand judge it. And then how do you respondthat failure is another big bigpart of it, but I thint too many of us...

...in in the run of player N in the gamewe we spent so much time dwelling on o. We made a mistake. I'll even say this just this from myown experience, but also from athletes experiences. Sometimes in a game whenyou start off really poorly yeah sometimes ends up being your bestperformance in the game, because you just really refocus mentally and at theend of that game you like man, I started off. I was sucking it up. Youknow I was bad pass. Bad tre out, you know, tat shot, but then all of a sudden thatmade me refocus early on and really get. My mindset like, I said, focuse, and itends up being one of your best performances of all time versus, likethe other way around so hes a few things on on that. The mistakes- andthis is like a question- I guess for Cardinal Too, do you feel? Do you dealwith players at have that outside pressure too? Like we see it a lot andlike I feel like the Hispanic culture, with pressure from parents so say likeespecially like in the younger plaing club soccer growing up like yourparents, always press you, I'm like man, you made this mistake like what are youdoing and like? Do you see that, like at a college level, too, UC playerscarry on that like Stagl intheir head? That's that's a good question. I thinkwhen, when you get to the college level, I don't think we have as much insightinto that as as much because we're not as close to the parents as when they'rein the youth environment, because I canbe go to the youth games all right.All the parents are right there on the sideline and they're yelling, stuff wit, the kidsand but in our environment. At the college level. I don't really hear alot of that stuff, the parents on the other side and whatnot I mean I mayjust from talking with with the athlete kind of know, their background pressurethat their their parents put on them and stuff like that. But yeah, I wouldsay it UST, just it's! It's T, don't know as much about that at thecaller. I O yeah, it's more disconnected you know, kind of, and inlike I mean we're on one side of the field, for example in our college games,parents and everybody else, istotally on the other side. So there's a lot ofthings. We don't really hear or know what's going on and then because th,because the student athletes eighteen year older, were dealing with themkindof directly, we're not really dealing with them n and the parentsaren't contacting you asking you questionor they're, not contacting youwondering hey how come my daughter's not playing yea on she's, not a start,or how can she? No so, fortunately for us in our positions. We don't really dowith that stuff. We tell the athlete and then they can have the dialoguewith the Pars 'cause. If a adult like that, yeah that now, from myperspective, we I have a much different perspective working with a lot of theseathletes ent on one without getting into the details, because I'm notprivileged to you know, disclose all the details of these athlets, but youare correct that they, their parents, have the big they they do play a bigpart in terms of the pressure component withat adult an there is a cultural.There is a cultural companion. You know right on. You know it looks like he hashat done her work to just really work on that awarenest. Be Able to noticesome of the sang in, and so I think again. This is why it's so importantthat we work on that selfawareness with these athlics, because it's it's, it'sreally healthy to get clear on who we are as individuals, independent offamily members, independent of friends or independent of socidal norms. Wewant to have a clear understanding of what we're all about as individuals,and so we actually have. We have some specific training tools that we use forthat, one of which is called a sqorse one.Where you know we get really clear with a couple of the people that we want toget feedback from Oky now mom and dad are awesome man. Let metell you, you know theyre they're great and with that, though, they're designedand wire to keep you safe, and so they want to make their sand thingsdifferently. They're so close to you that their perspective is actually alittle glury. Okay, so there's nothing wrong Wong with them. It's just thattheir perspectives is different than maybe thiking about. Maybe a friend of yoursthat really support you, but also can challenge you, and so you can go getbeatback from that person, and so what we do is we take. We take a beat and weget ou a piece of paper D. We run out givme two. If you're lucky you havethree most people have one: it's either one two or three people that reallygets you. So they get you. That means they understand. What makes you ceckthen they support you and they'll chin check your ups Rightl keep you, theywill hold you accountable to you be and you, and so we get clearer on thosepeople and then, when we're competing, Wewe train this IATS. All consistenttraining is to we don't listen about...

...the breast. It doesn't mean that therest of the individuals are not meaningful to us. It means we careabout them. We respectthem we love 'em, but we don't give a shit now what theythink about us right now and thats Aono puas there an there an te're, not herSMUR lot. I am not going to focus on that. I can't control that, and so weget really really clear on that, but you hit it right there, that's a bipart, that's a big piece of the parents getting in the way again, respectfullyI'm the parent myself, so the parents, you know their being parents and ndthey're great, and we need 'em, obviously, but the perspective changesa little bit, especially in rugged and hostile environments such as soccer.You know at the high levels O- and I feel like all this, like especiallyhaving a mental school spoach Likt as yourself, I feel like it- should beintroduced at the very like at the youth level, because a lot of Kfeelingwith a lot of Nings, like traumatically, growing up and especially playingsports like and their brains, aren't really like developed to like deal withanything like, for example, it', something I did with growing up. I E Idon't know what anxiety t was like. I would get anxiety during games, but Ididn't know what it was until like years after, like Oh, that was anxietyand I feel like we should see it a lot more on a youthlevel. What a great youknow again, man ith a really good insight right there and you're. Exactlyright is. I was just talking to my brother about this other day withchildren with COBA. Nineteen is weth to be minfolas parents to observe symptomsbecause you're exactly right. Children at at the lower age levels they're notgoing to come out and say hum I'm anxious right now on streps, I'm not going to say that they don'tknow. I don't know what O on have the language to wrap around now so whe welook at you know headaches. We look at stomach agges, we look at tension, welook out moodswings, you're, exactly right and so ey Ma'n you're on it. Theyouth is really important to be able to train the parents, and we've done somework with parents at the youth level. We've done some training with them andyou're exactly right, and so another thing too that that's really importantto be able to recognize that as a child like when your body's changing a littlebit. That means like this is what whats going on, but also is, if athletes at a young level,meaning like they're, eight years old, six years old, all the way to twelveand thirteen if they have success early, if they're, really good early. That is where mental skills comes in,and it's even more important, because that leads some problems to these youngkids with the parents and the children they they. It's really hard to navigatesuccess of very young age level with children and what happens in you knowdown the road as there could be a merging of this identity formation, sothey think what they are as what they do and that's bad as they continue toget better and better they're going to get up to the high school ranks in thecollege rinks and someone's going to punch him in the Moun and they're goingto fail and they're going to think. Oh, my God, I'm a failure because I fail atonce: They're not used to it, and so there is so. There goes again theimportance at the youth level of the psychological implications of thesechildren, and we see a lot of that. We see Bernal. We see fixed mindset which,which children have such a hard time making mistakes, because they have somuch success early on. They don't know how to navigate it. You know aschildren and so when they get older, it becomes a really big problem. So at theyouth level, it's probably even more important such a great insight on yourpart, because we think that this is all about the college level. An eelitaathletes Buti a atit's, it's really lucky Tus sa it's a the lower levelsthat we really needed and wanted to, and then I'll say, likeasfar aswith the uselove outh levels too, if they can pick up a few things and havesome kind of a mental skills program when they're, like you said whenthey're, developing and learning that can be so helpful, you know later onI'll mention 'cause, I I did say at the college level we kind of don't reallydo with the parents, but obviously I've been around the youth soccer. I wouldhave to say ever since I've been in Salono, Ihaven't coach club soccer. I just I don't really have to because and I'dwlike to focus on the college program only and I don't like to take the timeaway and do cleving e high school, but my two daughters, for example, wentthrough the whole club system, you Kn, so so I you know. Obviously I wasaround it. I'm a roudued soccer anyway, a little bit just with recruiding, butobviously the older kids, but so my two daughters went through it and I wasthere and I know exactly what you're talking about you. Have you know thepressure from the parents? Obviously, as you mentionas well, the culturalpart of it too, because different cultures obviously deal with the tomemost. We know that every country in the world, except the United States,their national sports, is football and...

...soccer rner and you know, like evenMexico, I mean come on. I I lived there for a couple of years, so I know thatit's like everything right. She got that cultural, maybe parents kind of a but the thing Um, and so you have that going on, and so Iwas in it a little bit and stand. You sit there and you hear the parents whatthey're saying strategically right and they're off a little bit right, some ofthem a lot O aliealot they're, all off Rin they played andsome of their dads were professional players in their country when that'slike, I othey're kind, ofsobut they're perspective on what they're trying to they're trying to and so they'recorrect a little. But then there's a lot of parents right to who neverreally play tat year, never been athletes, and- and so you hear all thatI was always the parent who, at the gage, you had a sideline right here andall the parents were lined up. I mean if they were any closer they'd Beon,the Fe playing with the kids Rit hed, but I was the one in Thi way up in thehill away from everybody else. I didn't want to hear all that stuff going onand I wanted to disconnect a little bit. I'm nuts and you know they're thy're,telling their kids stuff to do and what not opposite of what the coach is toldthem what to do and that kind of stuff. So tstrategically is there, but I eventhink even more importantly, so you got the parents telling them one thing: Thecoach is telling another thing: an the the bad part about is during the gamewhen e n, O earing is telling stuff different than what the coachesis andall this kind of so on a mess, but I even think psychologically it's evenworse, because let me give you an example: The car ride Home Yeah Aegoafter the game- and this is all this- is there's some pretty good work in ourarea. Just in in sport. Psychology, whatnot kinothe last thing that wantedthe PLA, the players of the kids or the skids of the parents won a hear isafter the game, and sometimes it's even winter blues right. They don't theydon't want to talk about the game as they're going home and what happened,and you did this and that and more times an not what I hear. Oh, my Gosh,you take a coach and you multiply it like ten and there the harots aredrilling them in the car running aound, I'm like O, you DTIS. You should havedone that so h and that's really a Y. U N, W Psychologically Really Kindo killsthe whole thing for the kid 'cause therenow they gon to Lis. Imagine doingthat every game and some parents are really really bad and the last thing somy my daughter's wit through all that kind of stuff and the last one is myyounger daughter, my oldest one again played club soccerall the way to the end and didn decide not to play in college. When my youngerSt Daughter decided to play in college and she wanted to play in college whell,she just played for Slana e to Garn S for you fo. So I actually was the dad.Was the coach was the Whoi Aout, all those dynamics going on right, and youcan imagine that kids, the last person that they want tolisten to is their own parents en they're being coached? That's just ait's very interesting phenomena, but it's it's very common and it's just howit is th y t y. They listen to everybody else, hat when you're tryingt so that's you have that dynamics going on. So definitely I think that the Mental Skills Park could actuallyaddress some of those things. And actually you know what even anotherthing train the parents Y as well, becausethey need to hear some of the stuff we're talking about right now andsaying: Hey! Look, you know what the worst thing you can do is is lectureyour kid or talk to your kid after they perform and what you should be reallydoing is if they want to talk about it, go ahead and talk about it, but if theydon't want to talk about it, you know t I've heard this before too. It's veryfunny, and you want to talk about the game on the way home and they say noand the parents still goan go out t anyway, just a little bit ofperspective and and I'll have to say I'm guilty of that as well asapparentbutbut being that I I'm knowledgeable in sport. Psychology andI know this stuff- I knew when you know I pretty much uh, let that go, and Iand the other thing I did is a parent with my kid as I disconnected. I wanted them to learn on their own andlearn from the coaches, and I didn't want to be in the middle of that andthey're going to learn, good ways and bad ways of doing things. And- and so Ikindof wanted to stay, keep that separation. I've always kept thatseparation. I never coached my kids when they were in EU sports. I I said: Hey, you know what I'd loveit. If they came to the college level Nd, I'm coaching the cause o one, I canactually coach them there. That's where all coached in, but before then nown Yo,Hav, some training here and their individual stuff, but as far ascoachand their teams, no nothing with them. 'CAUSE Attestin, to like apsychologoal thing too, like who am I going to let down my coach or my dad'cause? You have to listen to one of them, so it doesn't found somethinglike that. So it's like honors is crazy and something also for carnal for thoseUm listeners. What do you look for in in the four different positions like?What do you look for in a keeper? What do you look for an a defender, woullive for in Midooo and what he looked for in a former for those people.Listening that are playing high school right now want Ta play for lie, Slanoor the college level. Well, first of all the way, I'd answer that questionis m. When I'm recruiting I'm looking...

...for soccer players, so I'm notnecessarily recruiting certain positions. First and foremost, I'm looking forsoccer players, because sometimes and at the junior collegelevel we have a little bit more freedom in that area, because we're notStanford where you know there were eplace in a top full word: WHO's goingto be a senior and graduating they're, replacing their top. You know Goldkeepor whatever at the junior college level. It happens a lot where you could have a center back Er. Let me let me throw it this way.You could have a star forward, come in like golf score, led the Hall HighSchool Inte, Gold score and all that kind of stuff and all sudden they comeout for your college team and there you're starting center back an yourlife like letter, transaction witwhat happened there. It's like okay, well,the team needed that position or the coach sees things differently in termsof what they, what what position they want to play so that changes a lot. So,first of all, I look for soccer players and you ask the question like what do Ilook for in each each position? I mean so if you're, if you're aside from theGoalkeevper, if you're looking at the defanders, if you're looking for themidfills you're looking for the forward, I'm looking for iminvestcate scenario,if I can 'cause, sometimes we have to bring in players that are justavailable and we don't have scholar sittering like that. So I'm looking forthe ballskills, I'm looking for I'd like players to play out in the back.They they can have the skills to play N, the back. Obviously, if you're in theCENTR mid, I, like you, know players, can you know they can shoot they can youknow they can pass, they can control the ball. You know forwards the sametype of thing. So looking at ball skills and Bein, a that ties in withour kindoteem philosophe is you know more of a possession oriented type of a of a team versus a you know, kind of Um, long, ball kind of Towni, O pressureand then win the ball back and then skip the midfield, and not do that. SoI really look for the players that, if, if I can hand pick and is more skillsin the ballskills and then when they get into the program, if they have the more skills- and theother thing too is is, maybe they can play in more than one potiddemen ulti.I the vultial positions and because- and I tell them that too, when theyasked me that question the same thing you're asking what ar you looking forin the player and says e well, if you can play more than one position, that'sgoing to help you, because if you come on on our team and we have seven backsand all you can play S, ine back 're not going to vendor, you know versus ifyou are more versial and you can also play in the midfield or whatever. Ifyou're N Midill, you can play forward or whatnot, and that's going to helpyou to maybe be a starter or play more. But if you're, you know only limited towhat you can Sistas, you can play so that's kind of what we I look forr inthe position in the players. Toen is there so we want know. Is there? Isit Iser tallent? He Izalaa? Have you seen hery toerthey're, alwaysabsolutely there's. I would say we're one of themore fortunate areas Um into in terms of the talent pool in Silono, and I one of the more fortunate areas that Um this area will look at ADJC. It will consider adjacy as an optionfor their for their kid. There are other areas: allill use a little moreffluent areas that that's not an option so like and they're t e, their kids regoing to go to a four year school. Their parents are driving that andwhether they play off whether they play sports or not. So yet t there is Baristalen in Silano county area. Our teams over the years has reflected that weare basically an Allstar team of Salono area. Then there's Vackaill Fairfieldwe've also have for a long time and still kind of not as much anymore butthe NAPA area, as well as provided as ver many good players over the years,who have really helped our program and we even go up to almost to Davis. Likeso we're in Dixon winners, and then we get over to the Benisa, and sometimeswe hop the bridges and you get some players. You know from over there whatI will say that that kind o hurts this area is. Although we have the Talen in thisarea, we don't have a high level club in thisarrea yeah. That's something I agree with what what I mean by that as youhave Davis Legacy, which is kind of in our area, but not so muchbecause it's far enough away and those kids tend to gravitate more towardsSacramento and a lot of them come from Sacramento andnthe. Other big club, that's closestto us, is DFC Deablo valley which isn't conquered Kay. So what you have is theSalono County area, kids. What they do is if they start getting to a level.That's maybe outgrows. If you will the baccabills and the Panishas and theSlano soccer clubs, maybe they're looking for a little bit morecompetitive experience as a youth they're going to go to one of those toothat I just mentioned they're going to...

...leave Salanokana area they're going togo there. So the problem Y- I don't know if it's a problem, you don't have those players developed in those clubslike if we had a niht. If we had a nice big high level club in Salont, OAcounting area, those players are going to come to us more developed and I thoughe became itbecame like water down. I Don' know you remember like when it was. It was a loasoccer club and now it's loo united and then they also have North Bay, which isAwsom. ONFOR E gets watered down like there's too much like disintegration,like Hi's, not all just one strong thing, it's all like Backal, united,inmaccable and stuff, like that. Yo have vacavil that you have Benesia andin each one of these small and even Valao has a gon thing and, like youmentioned, there are three at least right. Now in Fairfield, so it ends upbeing watered down, like you said, and then the level it's all these smallclubs trying to operate on their own and if, like a Davis, is humongous, Imean DFC. I don't know if you know this, butyyellow valley, soccer club and DFC. They merged two clubs about five toeight years ago. I can't remember Jato win and then they just murges anotherone with with heritage, which is more of aannioc kind of a club and so they're they're kind of doing what should bedone, sif if vacabel and Salana and Venesia and all them kindof gottogether and just made a club, and that would be so much so we do have thetalenary in our area, but we end up having to develop them more becausethey don't they come to us less developed than the other. The otherPlubsdo Te. Other players do nd. Something thatI want t also mentioned that said. Drive girls to want to play for Sano isCC. CCLA people don't know C sins. The assistant, cose war, MONNAL team. So ifshe represented the Brazil national team for eleven years, she won theGolden Bo in the nine ten inghty nine Work Cup, a Aul, the famer. I feel likea lot of people need to know that, like Salono Caloto, conry college has acoach that has been at that level, and I want to ask you too: it's Kindof liketwo parts, the first Aris. How did you recruit CC 'cause? I know she wascoaching out lest pocitas and livermore. How did you recru her? How did youintroduce her to the program and the second part is d? Have you seen? Girlsrecently want to come to Smano because of CC? Well, I R I'm a good recruiter. SoThat's how I recruit CI Toi. Actually I used to coach atlost macetus college years ago, so I met CC when she first came to thiscountry and when she was first getting started as a coach in this country. Imet her because I was part of the losmaciis coach and stop so so I knewCCY and then, when CC was done at lost Ba ciis college. For for, for somereasons and whatnot 'cause, she did coach it. She was at Junor, polocheccoach before Lonin his college. She did that for ten years, part time when Ifound out about her actually not going to continue onthere I had to be. I had a recommendation from one of my mentorswho I also coach to the lospocenus that e you should bring cc into Silono. Shewas already doing the junior college thing. It was already part of herlifestyle. She already had experience doing that, and so I immediatelycontacted her N and, I said Hey. I understand that you're not no longergoing to be at Los Tocetus anymore. Are you interested in coming into SalamaCollege and helping us as an assistant, so that's kind of how it all started?And then you know it brought her into Salano and she's been there for this is,I believe, her seventh year to it's, not a new thing. She started IbetenyWornou she was Yo, came out and helped aurtoon a little bit. She was thereright Y, AH SOSISTER seventh year and there's no question a she's she's arecruit. She helps us to recruit players in the area and definitely having somebody on likeher on your staff definitely helps not only m. does she help once you to torecruit players wit the program, but she can also help retain playersbecause they realize, and they have such a good experience working with hernd my gosh. Not only is she achieved something incredible as a as a soccerplayer thin, you can learn so much from somebody who has been at the highestlevel. One of the best in the world is that, but in terms of, if you know C C,she's a very humble, very humanistic person, and so they you know, she's notout there Um expecting those players to do what she did. And you know sheunderstands a junior collarge player. She's did it for years, and she reallyunderstands and she's just a. She has that she has that skill of herinteractions with the players and that's even probaly, even maybe evenmore of a strink in a coach that is that chee can rully relate and so heronce players get in the program. retension has obviously helped as wellwith her being there. I think one of the things that we could always do better job. U, but Itry to do a really good job. It was like wo mentioned: Hey letting theseplayers know hey. We got this person...

...assistant coach in or program what aphenomenal opportunity that you can have to once, a it wit, not too manypeople can say or how that experience an opportunity to work with such a highlevel, Palin, em athlete or player, but but in addition to that now becoming ahigh level coach as well, and so not too many people have that opportunityand when I go out and talk to the high schools I um. I try to share this information. I'm sharingwith you right now, and it's very interesting because C C is a littleolder right. She's Ze, Marta's out there right now finishing her careerright. Well, that was s Martha Tat, CCY Lasicallymarta is the DU CC. If youwill so, the players can relte relate tothem and they can like parley, Lloyd and all that kind of stuff. But whenyou mentioned C C, most of them never heard of her and Itlt. No, so you haveto Educa get them tell him Look Yeh! She! She did this same thing and shewas at this highest level yeah. It was twenty years ago that she did it, butshe still one of the best ever like all e fame and all that so like she wassixteen. When she started playing for the Nationalton yeah she she she wasand then I think she was fourteen when she actually left home to start that Ertonever as far as getting to the pros and getting to the national team andall that kind of stuff, so yeah then wel something also with Kevin. You'vealso received training by the Seattle Seahawk psychologist. So how did thathelp too? Having that? Also that professional perspective to help outwith the team too, so ye have CC SS playd, the Brazil national team andthen Kavin too also received that mental schiles training by the settlefegox. How was Alli Michael Gevay he's awesome. We Spitjeeze. I was down in l a all day one day. Actually, two days- and I think itwas a eight hour training session with some other interesting individuals and it wasphenomenal and my I've been in te sport psychology space, an my first class- Itaught was what was it. It was in two thousand and two, so I don't know whatthat is. Eighteen, seventeen years sowhere there and I've been I've beenteaching sport. Psychology, mental performance working with the athleceever sit then and then had an opportunity. Obviously to learn from. Ifeel one of the best right now. You know someone who's on the world stageand he speaks the same language. That's important, too. I think there's a lotof professionals, thaare consulants in themental game, space or psychologists that are, you know, they're, they're,good and th Y th y. You know they're Hauntit, I think a big piece too is isthere's always an art to it, and do they speak the same language?Are they looking at it in to go back? Coach cardinals were humanistic waylooking at the whole person, that is Michael Devey, and so I bet in contacthe's grat he's, but he's really accessible and he's been. You know,he's, definitely influenced my work and open my eyes to the language. Now thatsome of the language I use that I knew so well intuitively now I'm able to usethe the language I think that can resognate. You know with some of theplayers, and so you know he's awesome. I mean he's really good at what he doeshe's done. The work just like these other lite performers ou know with CCit's a we caul it tripping over the truth. You know T Y, they askthemselves of tough questions and stuff is not easy. I mean it work extremelyextremely hard, and so it's had a big impact on me. In fact, to go back, you know, Michael Jevay. Igot in contact with him because a while back, I went and metwith P caroll and whet p Carroll was at us and him and money KIFP in some ofthese other guys. We end up spinning about two or three days at USC watchingand talking with pcarrol a a couple of hi stoff members oft some of theirspring procices at am and so P. Carol's philosophy is s. There was similar toours. When I was coaching American football always compete, its attitudeis really important and then Gervay, I guess, came and started working with pCarroll up north of the sale seahoks, and so I started hearing this guy talkon some kind of interview. This guy named Michael Geban, O Thinin Gosh. Isell opsyche girl, you know and then hang out of the science and thetraining behind it, and I thought all this is great. I want to meet that guyand so yeah. The long store strokergo went down there. It was great yeasoheshe's, one of the Tockgas right now on this space Igon and then a I want morepeople to like pursue like what you're doing so. I know you have which mastersprepared you for the Rold you promly have with the SOCER team. Was it thesports exercise, science or psychology 'cause? I know a lot of people may notbe able to get two masters, let alone like a bachelor's, but whand helped youmore for your role for the socreten...

...such a tough question. You knowbecause,I wasn't satisfied, you know having a doing the training, doing the work inbio, mechanics and and exercise physiology, so basically you'relearning about the body and the structure and function of thebody and then there's another piece over here which it is the psychology isthe scientific study of how we think about things, how we behave, how ouremotions fit in all that, and so you o there's so much of an interfacewith that that it's really hard to say one's more important than the other. Iwill say this. I will say this. I think when it comes to sport, psychologistsor mental health professionals and general consolance, I think it's reallyimportant that you know tat person has competed and play. I think if you canget if Youare so, okay, so the training is this, the training is, is play aslong as you can. You know an it doesn't mean you need to go to the: U S,Olympics Tei be play, is long and as as much as you possibly can to get tat,you know just that hardcore practical knowledge base, and then I think thisis Bi, hear the coaching perspective. I spent years coaching. You know half ofmy career up to this point. If I cut it, the half was coaching so now. What I dois more, you know consulting Counselingin, so it's more theconsulting sport, psychology, Componin and so what I have seen as individualsthat how training and just the psychology and they haven't competed orthey have it really coached. They don't understand certain things. For example,like we were talk about mistakes, witmistakes are fricking hard. Nobody wants to make NOTHELII've beenthere man, I got putched in the mouth, I lost man, I've failed so many times,and so I think if you have someone that has great theory or a theoreticalbackground, so there's gets good stuff. You know they have a lot a lot ofscholarly research and in traiding US really important. I think that's reallyimportant, but if they don't understand the implications of how coach is lookout mistakes because coaches get hired because of the mistakes players, theyplayers having axiety to Pr There's all Tha thins going on with he mistakes. Weneed to understand all those things. Okay, so I think we need to look at itfrom a humanistic perspective, and so I think, understanding you knowbiomechanics motor development physiology, which is Khaneseology. Thatis important. So if you can do that at the hundredred level, that's a good wayto start and they I you want to continue if you're going to go ont agraduate level. I think now I, if live a good background, maybe at thebachelor level of of Keneseology or exercise physiology sports science arevery similar and maybe yeah. They start to go the for a psychology, rvelop oror CLINICO or General Psychology Rowl and then the higher you go, the morespecialize. You know you get T so like I'm getting licensed right now, 'getting certified in in Sport, psychology services and so it's very,very fine tuned to achleds and performance and just mental health ingeneral. So I don't know if that makes sense, because I guess that pathwaythat I said all is not for everybody, but you have a little bit of everything.You know you have some of the undergrad mechanics, physiology, bio, mechanics,moter learning, and then you have psychology and the you start tospecialize whether you go to Khd or second masters or O licens, whateveryou know, whatever might be, letmejust kind o go backwards here again I'llrewine on something that's impor. Let me give you an example of a coach that maybe has a backgroundof psychology, but not Kaneseology, and they are coaching wer. They don't coachbut they're, trying to teach their kid. How Ha had o played baseball? Oner, trying T, teach her kit how to hit well understanding motor development andMoror learnings import, because you can't just put your kid on a tea fortwo weeks. You know a two times: Ortoit doesn't work that way when it coms Opoter development. You have to have ATS callcantetual afferance, so you need toput them on a tea. Then you need to back hem up toss aball up, then youneed to start criting a little pressure. We caus systematic desensitization andsothere'sthere's motor pattern, development here too, and then that'sone piece and then there's a psychological piece over here with howthey are peceeding, the ball, the fly to the ball and how they're othey'rethinking about things. So, as you can see it is, it is pretty complex of justhaving one area can really lack in another area. So coach, cardal use aterm humanistic and that's exactly what we look at this as the totality of theperson, not just one one asper,...

...let meletme add a little bit to that.Um First of Allill, start off with with Kevin Mentions in regards to there's.Maybe am many mental consultants or sport psychologists out there working and not to say that they can't do agood job and be very good, but it will help them that t y. They did competeright, they were in Athne, and so they can relate to the athlete that's veryimportant and, like I said it doesn't mean that it's it's a requirement or ithas to be that way, but definitely can help. The other thing I want to say inregards to what more to mention the coach and experience right. So they, iftheyare doing mental skills work like maybe marks, is doing right now andtheir mental skills consult mental skills, high performance, coach, they've coached also before so theydon'twerent just an athlete, but they coax and here's the other aspect of it.That I think, is very important as well because of in Markd situation, becausehe coached and also more specifically hecoacs at the junior college level. Heknows what US coaches are going through and that's very important because cotion at any level but at the genercollege level is very unique. He understands all the roles that we haveto play. We're always go, you know so so his inside in it that, because he'shad that cook and experience, is important. I think his an IDO't want tospeak for coach bars, but his so he had a you mentioned, obviously, as amaster's in in the biomcanic exercise, Phas area, which is more the physicalpart. But then he went back and got a degree in psychology which has alwaysbeen interested in sport psychology, but giving that second masses inpsychology, I'm sure gave him a lot more knowledge to workwith than most people have if they just have a peeceology degree, because nowthey're more specificall in a psychology and and dealing and learningwith things that you probably would never even cover in a caneseology justbecause it's so limited, I will say too, for those out there. Coach marks has a sport psychologyclass ATSALANA that he offers. That could be something Don. If somebody'sinterested in in the mental skills they're interested in bbin a sportsitcollegists, they can take that class to get little taste of the junior collgeovel hey. What is what is sport, psychology? What the heck is it youknow w what's going on there and that could be an opportunity for somebody toto kind of maybe get introduced to that and see if theylike it. It's that sport psychology classes an introductory class, anEnsalano and then the other h last thing I'll say is I teach theintronocinesiology class at Silono and like coachmarchis, mentioning ifsomebody's interested in in going into let's say sport, this worfeel orthey're interested in going into the mental, maybe be in a high performance,coach or maybe B in a mental skills coach along those ways. That's whereyou want to go as you want to get a caneceology degree, Um and you're going to hit, and then youcan once you get farther into that program, you can start focusing in onokay. Well, maybe when you go for that general kideseology degree, you findout that that the mental sport psychology is what you're interested in.Then you can start focusing in more onto that, as you finish, yourbachelors right and th as you enter more advance degrees. Like a masters,you can focus in on that that stuff, I would probably sav for me- and I don'tknow if coachmarks Aregresan is or not, but I would say for me it's probably abetter approach to do the kidne seology round. If you're going to go into thehigh performance, mental skills thing an athletics versusthe psychology route, but then again he might have some DIFFERENC IS PA insightinto that too. But you have, but you can start general and the Nice thingabout it if goes out there and listening if they want to get acenesiology degree Vake, and they decide later that El.Maybe the sport psychology wasn't the area that they wanted to go into they.They still have all the other areas in in peniciology. They can look intogoing into so they're still getting that that kind of major and an thestart of that, too, is the class that I teach, which is the intronic ceeseology,which really gives all the students the information on all the careers that youcould possibly do in this field. So little bit of addition to the the onesthat are out there, that are maybe looking at some kind of a career in themental skills or the high performance or or sport psychology there to be likea lot more attention towards the Salano soccer t, definitly 'cause, I feel Likien in myconsective. I went like I did, journalism Samono and I fel like itwasn't really like covered like I did like the sports broadcasting, and butthere wasn't really much emphasis. I was the one who kind of pushed to likesay like Oh, I wantto work with th girl, Sotea a I was like the only one O ifee.I guess itwould be something that should be push a lot more aaloofrom my perspective, Fron, thejournalism pespective yeah, or further sports broadcasting as well a yeah. Youknow it's been interesting over the years because you know Paffhas had thatsports broadcasting part nown there...

...nowisalano and Um they due some of thebasketball volleyball an whatnot. Some of it is just to depend on what kind ofstudents he has and who wants to cover. What and that kind of stuff and maybeindoors being a little Eisur to cover, but but it I would have liked to seemaybe a little bit more of the soccer gae oad being novered and l like therest, ofthe sports n, that kind of stuff. But you know what the kind of iswit is we got he' he's been providing filmers for us for to help us with ourown. Like you, you know to help us with m people in his classes that can helpus film, the Games which is important for for teaching the athletes. I thinkone of the things that ill say kind of inclosing lhease. For me. I do know this like m. There might be some other programs outthere like at the junior college level and the mental skills I performance,what we're doing there might be some out there. I I personally encoach Marchmay, but I don't really know of many of Hem out there, so we're one of the onlysports at the junior college level, not just in soccer, but just in n all thesports who is who is doing a mental skillsprogram for the athletes. Whey were doing it w th and actually take a classin addition to their athletics type, stuff, O another athletics flass, butspecifically they're getting units ffor working on their mental skills. So we had that that Gon and now sincethen now there are other sports at Salano who are jumping on board and whoare also doing the mental skills. How soccer started op but, like I mentioned,like I said in the junior colleges level, it's very unique m: it's it'scutting edge state of the art stuff that is going on right now, like Imentioned before it is, it is the biggest thing right now going on sportsin Additioni. You know the mental skills and D. Like I said it's, it's kind, Ocool that we're we're doing this ufand you now. I think it's it's the future.It can expand to other junior colleges and, like I said, it's pretty uniqu inour N, in what we're doing in Salono and then like con, say we startin insoccer, but now kind of expanding a little bit more, some of the othercoaches in salonor or seeing maybe they should try to do that with theirathletes and then, who knows maybe moving on in the future, some otherjunior colleges, kind of seee their value and and doing that as wellcardinal and mark. Thank you bat. They AV takes keep like your eys, angood work, an you, a job.

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