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Episode 23 · 6 months ago

Goat Talk Podcast 023 | El Clásico, Real Madrid v Barcelona, Champions League, PSG v Bayern, Arteaga

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In episode 023 of Goat Talk, Alonso Frias and Fabian Magaña discuss El Clásico where Real Madrid defeated Barcelona to top La Liga, the UEFA Champions League Quarterfinal matches with Madrid, Liverpool, PSG, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Manchester City, Porto, Chelsea and comments made by Mexican National Team player Gerardo Arteaga about Mexican Liga MX players.
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Welcome back everyone: This is episode.Twenty three of goat talk on Yor Hostlanzo, and this past week we had alot of European soccer. Yeah we had most precently today wasclassical from Laliga between Romadrid and Borcelona. Romadrid took e two onewin at that: Pillhe Stephanal, obviously, a big one from Adrid interms of Chaki Alega as it narrows down. They took the first place lead overathetical. But what did you think of the performance from Farso today andhow do they bounce back? Trying to you know, keep in the race alive. I mean I feel like they had a reallybad first half I feel like that formation. They started off withplaying with three center backs. I feel like it just it didn't work againstPrauma Drid, especially because have really good, not even I don't even say,really good, but just fast wingers that move the ball arout a lot and theirfoll backs also come up. Just like Lucas, Voscus we've Got Tho assist and I just feel like I don't know justthe way they were set up. It just wasn't enough. I guess to beat Rumagitin the first half, even though they had a lot more possession, they had seventypercent going into the first half, but they had less shots Tan Romadrin andthat something to point out to again with the three center backs they'veused, though they've used that formation in the last five Laliga Games and they were all wins, but then they came against Roi Gitter.Really, I guess a tougher squader just the way that they planted themselves.Just it didn't work. No yeah, I mean if you look at who theyplayed in the last couple games in Lalega, they were coming off wins. Ibelieve it was like some pull it up. I have right here. It was by all the lad,the last one. Oh yeah, there was a one zero with Dambella right, yeah wher they scalled littlly in thelast minute yeah. So I mean you haven't, played with against and attacking as good as Roman dridswith Benzama I mean this is junior, whom I mean who's had a pretty prettygood week, for you know himself we'll talk about that a little bit later, but Bu Veedit, who started over as since Yo and who was who I was like when I sawthe Lina Wi was like well whys. This sins, we not starting after thisperforman this week, but I mean it's because bout Fredoday also like started the last time that they beatBarsezuzero and it comno early in the season. So I feel like that's why thedam went back to lat, reoday and he's kind of he can also play moreof a defense, and then he was more like a heas Hehas bird of Fennin skils anithing to, and I mean it kind of worked out because in the first few minutesyou saw Roman drigating those counter tect going quickly on the defense, thengoing to wors offense and that's how hi got their first two goals, but readyalmost had that third goal right before the second half ended, could have hadit three zero if it hadn't not hit the post, but Imean, but I mean Barsa also had those two plays before the first Hale to ofthat post and then that block by Corta, which I think towards the end, was kindof like offsides, but they had their two best plays Robb before the firsthalf end in so I think they just they got going a little bit too late, and Imean the goal I've been by Bensamo. That's it was a was great goal and then the free kick I feel like itcould have been avoid. Because I mean it was it wasn't an own goal, but itwas like deflected in yeah, so I mean I would consider that a mistake buts,just the way that they were defending afte like Sigio death, didn't reallymake much of an impact, which is why I believe he was subbed out half forgreesman and then things like totally changed like Barcelon was totallydominating the second half. They ended up getting a goal, which I kind of havecomplaints about mean Gazas scoring, because if your center back is theplayer receiving the ball in the opposing teams area like that means,you have something wrong with your offrence and that's something. We'vebeen talking about forever. I mean ever since we saw his left there's notreally like an aerial in box player,...

...and I mean mean guess I was there forthe for the goal, but other than that. I feel like the Balla Tedey have thatgood of a game and greesman had some good plays, but nothing really like transcend it and that really changedthe game. We yeah, like you, said how, since swattes left, they don't havelike a refrence nice for them to. You know,look for in the box, that's kind of what why they also struggle to scorn efirst half was because they were sending centers, but who are yousending it to you're not going to have messy beating, maybe thow, and that'swhat t headers ten Bella is not going to be a much ofAheteora, guys more playing on the floor like centers like that, areuseful. If you don't have somebody to Heder it in the goal, so I mean that'swhy also they kind of just wasted attacking instead of going towardsschool. Besides, like you, said, tos two opportunity that they had, theywere just looking a center, but that didn't work that wasn't working againstwith the weapons you have. You don't have any aerial threats for that shitto work, and I mean I feel like even Ruma. Gid panicked a bit even likearound minute. Seventy, when Barxlana was really dominating, as he don madethree subs at the same time, so that was kind of like in something of little panic in there and thenGotsamito also a double yellow in the span of like one or two minutes likethere was panic by rum. Jid were Barstilin a Shilt Haf. I don't know if they would have had aFord, I feel like they just could they could have capitalized. I A lot more yeah, because I mean when all the attention an defense isdrawn to mess. There's only so much ou can do and that's what they basicallyhad. They had messing a check for most of the game, so hey can really playthrough him. N, like you, said, MEA GI, Thai wast't one to score the goal, andI mean that comes off what who assisted, I believe it was because Greez Minreceive a ballbudy. Let hit go for men get at. I tap it in, but I really knowslike Surgen O breatawas SOM crastit, it was Jorty Alwan Toy Adga, but I meanyou see like when you, when it's just messy out there like it's hard to gethim involved, especially with a defense like Ramadrids, like you can't really, you can't really do anything much aboutthat in terms of you know, trying to create some offense when messy's onlyguy there and he's being surrounded by five dudes man. What do you think? What do youthink about twenty crews to hey? What's your board, let's Ma Ame it on TonyCruise after this week that I've seen from him, you know he's definitely upthere for the bestmen fielder in the world. Right now is Hor. Not Is he yeah as of this week? Yes, that that's like recency bias itsomebody has like a really good performan. You forget about everybodyelse O. Well, I mean we've been seeing twenty quote play for like this for seasons on and he still consistsed thesame revel on I'd still put thim like up there of being the best midfield, er,Youe, Gonno, say Bruno Fernandas yeah, I mean Kemys Lik coming to Brona, to Imean Ey, Tony Gross es consistency, cant be denied a man. Yeah he's beenreally good, I feel like he had a decline. I feel like like a little bitafter, like we all those places o haven't declined aver since likeRinaldo left, but then I feel, like recently he's doing really good samewith like mother each well, I believe also had a decline but they've beendoing really well Banzema. I feel like Youen Bou ver that wouldn't reallyconsider on that solid, but I mean he was solid in there Lucas Vaskas. Heleads round with JE in second for most assist and he give it a FIS. Like Isaid earlier, I mean I feel like a lot of things are just coming together foron Magit, and I mean I don't know. I think they might be able to take thisleague hey. I I think I choke that lead hard,tnkthey Sall have a couple games. I sa we'll see what happens with the we'llsee what happens with that, but Yeah Madrid get the win today, and they alsogot to win in Championsle against the report on Tuesday three one they want oalso at home, with Azovretta from Venissus Juior, and the third goal wasfrom assensio...

...shot. U All the haters nowere like again, two by Tony Crews, Ifeel like he was the made man right there in the middle and but then I feellike something that I want to point out. Liverpool is out with any of theirstarter center backs, which is the liverpoolis like main focus over thelast fe years, with Ven Jak, with Mario Gomez, with Mati, even Fabino like thatthat's been their pillar, that's been where they start out most of theirplaces from the back so othing like that, really hurt them, and then thatmistake that assists from trend to a senso. I feel like that really affectedthe game as well: Hey, wet you'r telling me hey, Madrez, missing ther,two starter servaks to playing with without Romals and Veron. So I meanwhat the heck come on now Ar Them Co. You compare them to Liverpool Centerbags, though Oh Matt Romos, one of the greatest enterbacks of all time versusVan Jik, has maybe one good one or two good seasons to Jok onthis s deep, acard no, but like the people they getreplaced like the people that replace those player we mean, I mean, like yousaid I don't. What do you mean? This Zalbak was get o someone from theracademy and then who was who was other center back it believe it was son Dudon,it was Phillips Ellok. I don't know who the fuck. That guy is, but I mean no,who wothefuck mey doubt right, ik CTUALY, only my dread Fanson know whothat is, but he is like projection. I feel like me, Tel eoe, Lotte Centerbacks is going to be there for a long time, especially if romos is going taretire so and that's wha doing that. Jus been like a Secondtry, an centerback for as whole onit for years like come on, do and especially if you havea front three attacking with with Yourmino or Jotan, then you have Salamanonyou wings. How is that? How can you not score goals against the Madriddefense but then Bens a Mam, an is because in Assen Co can aand. You haveale one of your Gokeep fer like come on now like you're, not playing with notbombs. I mean I'm sayin that now I do agree with that part about how I feel,like my NAM and especially Dav or Jota N, the first time we the ended upgetting subbed out for from you know, I feel like you didn't they didn't set up,plays as much as they should hov much as they have us a cousin Tikse we'veseen my now. The wing destroy everybody, the primierily, and then I don't know they just didn'tdidn't do well against Romadrid, so lok got a goal, but it was off fuck. It wasa off a rebound row like so right to him. I would have bee. I know what I'msaying like in terms of producing their own tirown shots Ou. Now like it wasn'tlike really produced, it was just a rebound that fall to him. He just hadto shoot it in and I'm even Isis Jua who's playinglike NAM more on his prime, the next bazilion star man. I don't Knowi, don'tknow about all that, but he's been having good good plays. I mean, eventoday, against Barcelona, I feel like sometimes he he'd relie a lot on hisspeed, but sometimes his speed doesn't really get him anywhere because hedoesn't have enough time to make a cross or even take a shot or maybe hisshots are sometimes are really off target. So I feel like you should workon something: that's not always relying on speed and maybe working a little bitmore on his fundamentals like shooting and passing ibut he the past month orso he's been alsosha weted, thim and Finessa, like you know, making fun ofhis like his finishing like all do, has like ninety nine drigbling and, likefifty fifty finishing, and I mean Hewa scores, two goals like colassalsagainst Litterpool. With that, like excellent touch and finish like come ondude I mean it looks like he's really ti the inform card on FIFA dude thatday he's gonna get it. I know, but I mean that's good for him.I feel like he's, really progressing as a player, and hopefully you can develop into one of those star wingersthat we've seen n fom the past few years yeah. We see also Benzima prasingrecently to the press. Have he saying...

...that Olviniskis is a great player andthat he's always screaming at him, but most of the time you know he can behard on him, but he like he says that he does it because he can see likepotential in Veniscus, and I mean I feel like that's Bush I feel like Benimis only saying that, because he got caught talking shit about him, rememberyeah when they caught him, saying that what is I s like? Like don't dont, evenas aother team yeah, he said don't passit thim because its as if he'splaying on the other team or as if he's not part of our squad and I'm like Boall right, you'r Gon, say thatespeial. If you're acaptain bemos one of the captains, forron Adrit e're gonna be saying thatwhilt Wen nea your teammakes and they come on and say, like. Oh He's, thisgood I'm hard on him like now. I feel, like you just saying: thite Thas yougot cut, I don't know man I mean being beingnother captain not also like you know, being a captain, but he's also leaderto like attacking three a since he was still young. VINISH CISE is still young,so I mean I feel like he also has that it's kind of makes sense because he'sserving that, like the mentor he's like one of the older people on that teamand hes Sol of mentaring, he like the offense, but I mean I don't know we'llsee they have second leg on Wednesday. If they play how they played on Tuesday,I think that they can. They can take out liveral pool and move onto the nextround. Yeah Esspecially. If Benem is really informed and the last five gamesin the league that Rumegit his played, he scored seven goals so he's on fireright now, hopefully, he'll take that into the chemmes Ik as well. Secondbest friker behind Nowa just wanted to put that in fuck, Hary cane. For now,for ever I agree not that not the Fuckherye came for, but yeah have two forwards. All right and we're going to move on to the nextmatchhat we had an Cemphasique was the big one was PG Biron PSV beat Byron inGermany, Munich, three two with two goals from ambape and one from arquinos.What did you see from that? Matchup whetare, some takeaways? I think thatwas the best game out of the whole, like chambers, e fixturs, that werelast week. It was I it felt like a final, even though Loandosski wasn'tplaying, but there was a lot of shots. There was a lot of goals, bear mutagewas down to goals, and then they had to make two selvs for defenders in thefirst half, which I believe hurt them a lot and then Markinas wining Markinas,co PG. Then he got hurt and then came two goals by Bayon by headers, wherewhich Marcinos, because he wasn't on the field, he's a captain. He playedcenter back. He couldn't really move his defense around. Like he'saccustomed to is and he's that star player in the back O. I feel like thosetwo hatters I think, came because Martias wasnt on the field, but then inbobis third goal. I love, I love those tope of goals. He cut t e lines inbetween the defense and then shooting it to the goalies post, which I alwayssay. That's that's one of my favorite goals. When you aim for the goal thegoalies post, I don't know I just really like thosegoals, but I feel like with en Bapa to like we say so much about him like it's,not even when he's going to become that startplayer, it's if and when people are going to startrecognizing him as like that top three best play in theworld. I meanhe's clearly showing hes. He has. He scored a Hadtrick againstPartlona and Kam, no and then whet he's. Now he has her of Leta against thereating championse champions in Munich I mean, and it's it's not against Shitty team.It's like the defense is pretty good defense. You saw Hasy Fleag, makingthat SEF putting Davis in because you know I'm backit was dusting all thes who's. The leftback that started inthis place Iwas he on this Huh yeah, but I feel like something too thathelped out was yeah. Davi's helped out a lot and then I feel like Thomas Mewler was making a lot of goodpasses to. He was really in there and I...

...feel like they depend on him whenLewandowsky isn't there to, and I mean they wer without Nabey, too they'restarting right wing, but I mean, if you look at this game in terms of the statshad they had. Maybe one of those two I think Byron would have tied, maybe evenon it we're looking at thirty one shots which twelve were on goal for in favorof Viron, as opposed to PSG. They had six shots and five of those wrong GolYeah. That's I seen that stat and I was like that's fucking crazy, like you,don't even see that especially like in a Shambisi game having thirty one shots and then you you, I mean they scored.They were able to score two goals but compared to pg only having six andthat's going three. That's that's a crazy stat to me. So that's when I feellike a lot of people can use that, especially like being minuse fans saylike Oh look at the amount of shots we took, but we didn't have our star bestforward in the world in. So that's probably one of the reasons why we lost yeah- and I mean it's a valid argument,because thirty one shots and I'm pretty sure if you had la one who's, the best striker rightnow in the world, pretty sure those more than two goals would go in andbiry would probably win, but I mean since he's not there on the field, youknow you're missing somebody who can finish it ID with his head or with his feetleft fright Ye. You know he scoring you with so many ways without him on thefield. You know you're really missing that that finishing, which is moreimportant, your yeah you're taking shots, but it's about finishing andputting it in thet that wil really counts us with the whole point of it is, but I mean yeah, that's the numbers, tell Ta story, but youknow the score says another. They got a couple days to prepare forthe second leg in Paris with Holloandowski. I still think now Ihad Biron you know passing, but then, since Tho I went down, I think cisshegoes they go through no, and I think the thing is going to be really vital.As those three owagols I feel that's going to end up veding Biron a lot inthe next GAM, Oh yeah, I forgot that they're playing mounow, that is theother wig ws, always make it much tough on you. If you're trying to bounce back, we had you know other games, we had man,city, B, Dudmonto, one which you know we kind of saw howlan nowhere to be seene, because Imean man, city defense is better than any of the defense score on recently inthis year, and that was a really good game thatreally shows how important keeping possession over a team that depends ontheir attack. Man City were able to move the ball arout a lot. Holland onlyhad one shot on goal the whole game, and then he had a really good toughbattle with dias. I feel like him and Dia da did a good job of Markin, eventhough I don't know everybody's going to talk about that one place where heknocked him down where Halenagdias down, but I believe man, sidhe's defense, Ta,a really good job of keeping howlong under control and something I hadpointed out like. I want to see how well Hellen does against elite defense and they showed it too. But I mean wecan't all just depend on him. I mean Royce, ended up scoring and then Debroin de Bron at somebody Isaid who I tilt think I don't know, I'm always backang Forwarh besween him andBruna Fernadis for the best, and I mean he scored the Broi score tand then thatfollowing week he renewed his contract. So we're going to be seeing him for along time. IMMENS CITY, fucking oil, money, man, Shit, Hey, but I its I feellike he fits into the system, though I'm not really complaining that much onoil money, because I feel, like a lot of teams, had the opportunity to bidebroin when he was playing in Germany, and I mean managerser Manchester Citytook he chance and Lik wit be he became Sa. I mean, if you have, when you havepepbiesyour as your own coach, I mean he can make it work basically foranybody, but yeah that in te two one next, I think the next lake is in at third month home. So I still thinkman city would go through on that. One might be complicated just becausethey're playing in Germany but...

...heps going to find a way to pull thisone through. We had the last game with FC porohlceFPORT, who came off of knocking out on all those Juventus in the earlierrounds. Fase Chelsea this one, but they lost two zero. We had goals from MasonMount, who scored a brilliant finish and ki'll turn around second postshotand then also Ben Cho. Well, those were the two scores and I feel like Mason. Mount wasprobably the best out of the bunch with the upcoming. Now I wouldn't even say goinggeneration of young talent, but just this group of really good young playerslike fill foldin and Mason Greenwood, I think probably Mason Mat was probablythe best out of the three. I don't know, maybe again its that resency Bius, butI mean I really like o Mazin mout plays. I feel like that was a really good goal.The way he had that technique to know to turn around and shoot that ball,especially having that pressure on him, I feel like it was a great goal andthen we'll hurt me from the Chil will go. I got the so tike, I think the fuckd TeAso then at the same time sho he was able to go around Martacin, don't knowif hes seen that he dribbled around Marto scen and was able to just happenin, but I mean still, I think I thid the fucked up. You got to take fullresponsibility for that goal, and, but I don't know I feel like portal. I feellike Portos, dark horse momentum and champions Ou got thing isgoing to come to an end. You think they just got this roundand after that therethey're out, I'm Min tis Chelsea to I don't expect Chelse as tels as I loslike three zero for in the past. That is true, but I mean you know. Butcause you Wu,say Fans wore saying. Oh, take a tito that to the go and Oh yeah look atthest today, man, you know and gave promaged the second goal andgot is ass up that at half time, so I guess we'r. even now, Hey, but I mean, what's a goad type,podcast withou, some concacaft news this on this week was Mexican national team player at Viaga. Coming out with a bold claim againstthe typical athlete from Mexico. You have the quote with you want tosummarize it for US yeah. I mean he really said a lot, but I mean tosummarize it. He basically said that players in Mexico. They complain abouteverything they complain about practice. They campain that they're tired. Theycomplain about how long training is because Ha Theys ar to they get tiredand he's saying that him being because he now he plays on Europe for thosethat don't know he plays on Gank, which is in the first division of Belgium,and he played for Santhos for four years and then he he's playing on the Mexicannational team since the? U Twenty one level and now he's on the senior team.But he basically said that, and everybody like in Europe, they'rereally professional about everything, their diet, how many hours he actually rest- and he feels like that's just somethingwrong with Mexico. It's with players in the in the Mexican league to be moreexact. I mean he's not liing. We seen play seplayer like Geovan Osantos, who who seem like one of the promises ofMexican soccer turn his career, low, Kei, south roal, quick after PARCELONA.I mean that's something I mean. I don't think he really was attacking playerslike you, because I mean Jil was I'm not gonna, say Rike, I'm notgonnasaan alcoholic, but Jo. You could see when they took him out of that club.In Tonham, when he was like Hella Drunk Asomean Gio was, he was surrounded byalcohol and all these other distractions in Europe. I he'sattacking more f the players like like who Willy Panaornot I we like yeah,probably like gully, Pania, probably with a whole vial, Pando, cofes Guy Yeto Alecti spenyor case. I feel like...

...he's talking about players like that,how they don't really take practice seriously or they don't watch what theyeat, because we see a lot of players come in overweight after like preseasonin Mexico, so I feel, like he's atacing that but then the same time I kind ofthink, especially the Belgium legue. I feel, like some teams from Mexico couldprobably be teams from that Pulgent League, but I'm mean it's Europe, and Imean maybe that Belgian team was going to export him toa toper team in in Europe yeah. No, that quote well, he said. Look ereminded me of Lonon Donnaman when he said I hel histime alone. Oh, he said some players would go out and, like people like youknow, have parties and stuff, I'm like you know, go to eat a hell of food. Imean that's that's kind of what, like his he's, sort of that's what he's kindof saying too about like in terms of like what he sees on. Like me, myleague, I Makkis sodid like Ron Non Gonaman, that's what he saw, but I meando your like: Okay Man, Tho Fuck, like I, a Yean people can go party and shit,but I mean little hat of a made. It seem like it was like something likewhen, like the TS players are doing, but I'm pretty sure like it wasn't eventhat bad. But you know he always Heus, probably just trying to talk some shit.You know because he just is done of it and is Legot Makys, but I mean he's. Ifeel like athe as right, though I feel a lot of players, don't really take itthat serious and I feel like even out there. I said like having all those badhabits aren't going to have you be in Europe anytime. Soon- and I feel like acar has things to defend himself by when he went to Europe. He was onlytwenty one and he, even though he had a lot of game for Santos, he was stillyoung. I feel like a lot of people, don't really know who he is. I mean Ipersonally. I would probably put him even though Gayao isn't playing that.Well, he's probably be the next player up and iwald start for left back, and I don't know I feel like a lot of.We see it. It's because there's lotther just a lot of indiscipline and I feellike a lot of players, don't take a serieus ot, they don't know theposition they're in. I said it last last podcast right where I said thathow was the beach said that a lot of these players don't know theresponsibility they carry Youv. As for an example, I'm like Bro, you, you gotto know your sponsibility, where you're on the one of the biggest platforms ofyour nation in the sports worlds. I mean I guess, when you're famous andyou have everything you got money and Shit probably can get to your head, andif I mean, if you're not really guided in terms of like how to balance sociallife and your athletic career, I mean you get shit like that, and it'ssomething that Artheri said that Loik we're getting paid to play soccer. Itsis the dream of a lot of kid. This thisis part of the quote, too. He saidthat it's the dream of a lot of kids that they get to do what they like todo and it's the only thing they dedicatethemselves to like. They don't have three four full time: Jobs. They don'tgo to school and go to work at the same time that theres just play soccer, andso that's what I feel like is stopping a lot of players from making that jumpfrom Mexican soccer to Europe because of all these disciplines because theyget to practice. They start complaining about practice. Yoy Start complainingabout them being tired, and it's just all these things that feed into themnot being able to reach that level playing in Europe. I mean yeah, I could see. I coal seewhat he said that, but I mean we can also act like you know Europe theydon't have their flaws. Most recent one I can think of just so like quickly RatTho Sop is the the foding one for the with the Egland case when they had thegirls come in to the yeah I mean so I mean it's not just a Mexico. I feellike it happens. That happens everywhere, but I mean it's justprobably getting you know gown up, because...

...is the serxt one he kind on. We gotMakis this sort of known for that players not being fully committed totheir careers but imid, something I mean. I agree. Iagree with this with this quote, but yeah I mean we can see it both ways. Imean, I just hope. A lot of more early on young players can go to Europe,but if Arthega saying that is one of the things he probably saw because heplayed at that you twenty one level he played at the: U tenty three level withthe Mexican national team, so he saw players young players from a lot ofdifferent teams playing for the national team. So maybe he sawsomething that we don't know. That's all the time we got for thisweek make sure the light share and sucribe see all next time.

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