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Episode 26 · 1 year ago

Goat Talk Podcast 026 | Canelo v Saunders, Champions League, Concacaf, Liga MX, MLS, Thauvin Tigres

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In episode 026 of Goat Talk, Alonso Frias and Fabian Magaña discuss the Super Middleweight fight between Saul Canelo Alvarez and BJ Saunders, the UEFA Champions League semi-finals, the Concacaf Champions League quarterfinals, Liga MX vs MLS, and Tigres signing Florian Thauvin.
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Welcome back everyone. This is episode twenty six of Goat Talk. I'm your host, Alnzo, and we just got through watching the boxing match between Canello Alaras and Billy Joe Saunders. Yeah, we had Cannello Alvarez coming out on top. It was an inclusion of the eighth round. It was actually in between rounds, so it was a KO on Saunders called off by his corner actually, so tikio t koh in a pretty close match, just as you have predicted, though, we were expecting canellot to win, but you were you had called decision and I was hoping for a Koh, and it was something close to that. But I mean, what were your thoughts on this colost match that ultimately was one by Knello? Yeah, I feel like it was a lot closer than people anticipated it to be. I knew Billy Joe Saunders going to go out there and box. He obviously got that extra two feet added to the ring so that you can move around. His lateral movement was really good. He was jabbing really well, but I feel like Knella, with his faints, with his upper cuts, with this counter punching, I feel like it started to take over, especially with that punch in the eighth round. I feel like that just changed the whole momentum of the fight, especially since I believe billy just saunders had one those two previous rounds. And something to point out to it was, I believe I told you, like right when the hit land that I was like, Oh, I think that's going to be an orbital bone fracture. It's something we saw happening with Kel Brook when he fought with GE and he was never the same fighter after that. Yeah, and they're all the commentaries also had a close to like how you said it, and even the judges. They release stairs coore cards up until the eighth round where one of them had cannello winning hundred and seventy four, another one had at seventy seventy five and then had a seventy eight, hundred and seventy four. So a fairly close matchup between the two fighters, with Billy Saunders and at least three of them winning at least two rounds. Some of them even had three rounds. So it was it was pretty even match. Is this what you expected like Billy Sunder to come come out and try to do? Yeah, it's something he's always been really good at he's always boxed with sod against David Lemieux, against a power puncher like David Lemieux, he box circles around him. I mean some people might see it as running, but I mean if it got the job done, and not that many people know how well a good of a boxer billy just hunders is, I feel like he try to prove that against Canello. But I feel like in fights like these, with a crowd like this, where for every punch that Cannell lads, the crowd is always going to yell, which can possibly sway the the judges. So I feel like billy just understead of gone out there and depended a little bit more on power punches instead of jobs. But I mean I see his game plan as well, because I feel like a good job will always win, you will fight, especially if you really know how to utilize it and also utilize it to set up other punches. And then, especially like in the middle rounds, I feel like Sawders were just getting them. He was gaining and gaining momentum and I feel like Canello got to a point where he was getting a bit frustrated because, I mean I see a both ways as well too, because Canello was hitting him flush, but billy just saunders kept shaking his head. But I mean he's still getting hit like, even though it's not phasing you or you just shaking your head, is still causes of punch landed on the comfy box numbers and for the judges. So I feel like billy just saunders, instead of shaking his head, he should have tried to just kept fighting like this. Those precise seconds after getting a hit landed on you, you should be using your job to set up a counterpunch, and I feel like he wasn't doing that. Yeah, and then also probably another thing that look like what's frustrating Canella was the fact that saunders was using the size of the ring to his advantage, being able to move around Canello, making a hard for him to land a good, a good punch on him. So that's when Cannella was trying to get close up, you know, and get those good jobs in and do some Combos, but it was hard because Sinolo's was sanders was using the ring to his advantage and just keeping like you said, he had good lateral movement and it showed when he was moving around the ring. You know now it looked like he was running, but it was more in his defense, just trying to keep his distance from the good jobs that Cannell loo can throw him.

Yeah, and I feel like he did a really good job of fighting off his back. He'll, and I mean he's a South Ball. Canellos had certain struggles with Salzpaul, especially with aries ony Laura, and then, I mean Austin Trou he knocked awesome trot down, but I feel like Awsintry also gave him a little bit of trouble. But I feel like just Cannello isn't used to a fight, a fighter moving around the ring and using slick punches, just like billy just saunders does, because I feel like even billy just hunter said it before the fire that his past few opponents have gone in there with the miset of that they're going to lose, especially with, I feel like Yo Drum, rocky fielding Liam Smith. I feel like they were already in going into the fight knowing that they had very slim chances of winning. But I mean Canello now, look at him now. He's already he gained a Boh, he already he keeps his wbcwe and ring super middleweight titles and all that's left it's IBF. So hopefully he'll be able to fight Caleb plant in September. To Unifi was so Unifi one hundred and sixty eight, which has never been done. But I feel like the main problem is going to be with making that fight is just the fact that Caleb plant is with PBC and usual PBC fighters don't really fight people out of their promotional company. But I feel like that's a match you can't turn down. But I feel like, yeah, I feel like it'd be pretty stupid on Caleb plants to like turn down that fight because obviously Eddie hern and Canella hovers going to present him and offer and that offer is going to be higher than anything he's ever made. He's going to fight against like we saw here, seventy threezero people at the ATNC stadium. He's never going to fight in front of a crowd like that and I feel like he just he has to take that fight and it's just the last belt in the division and I'm pretty sure if Caleb plant wants to be known as the best fighter at one hundred and sixty eight, he's gonna have to fight Canella for the rest of the belt? Yeah, because Canello is that man. He's been that man in boxing for a few years now. So, I mean, plant has no I see it that he has no choice but to take this fight and we saw a dye hearn after the match, you know, speaking on that. That's you know, it's a match that he can't resist, and any share of resist because the mount, like the it's like the type of platform that it puts you on, I just as a fighter, but has put you on a global scale, because Canello's globally and well known. But, like you said, he's going to make he has so much to get out of this fight too, and I feel like it goes down because, I mean, Caleb plant hasn't fought since January of this year against Caleb trow where he want a unanimous decision to keep his IDF belt. So I feel like he's been trying to not take any other fight just so that he doesn't risk an injury or he doesn't risk a loss to get that paid against Canello. So hopefully we'll see it. I mean, Caleb plant, I feel like, isn't that great of an appointent I feel like billy just saunders posted the greatest threat out of all the world champions, except for, Obviously, I think Colin Smith was also really good, but I mean Kyle plant. He's only been champion for two years. So I think it's easy when the person, I think, who gives Canello the most trouble now, after billy just saunders, is David Benevida is. I feel like that's the fight to make after Caleb plant at if it's not David Ben a vita's and it's a trilogy fight against triple g. So we'll see what happens with that. You want triple G as a trilogy or you want to sound dream match. Now I feel like the sound of rematch makes no sense at all. I feel like it is just going to step back and instead of going to step forward. So I feel like he's just capture all the belts, fight David Benevitez, fight triple g and then fight Charlotte. So that would be my y here. Yeah, that'd be my well schedule. We'll see CANELLO. We'll see what he chooses post plant or expecting that match to be in September, but as of today he has beat the boxer bj saunders from Britain, but you know, it is what it is. Another news from British, you can say, and England we have two premier league teams facing off in the Champions League final. We have Chelsea coming off beating Raw Madrid and Man City beating psg. What did you think of those two matches and what are your expectations for the final at the end of the month? I think the finals going to look a lot like the game they played today in the Premier League, where Chelsea ended up getting...

...the win with a Lego by Marcos Alonso, and I feel like it's going to go really similar to that, except they might be a few changes in possession, especially because Manchester City was missing Kevin de Bruyant and then fold and ended up going in until the second half. But I feel like that game too. I want to talk about that game where Manchester City could, I got up to zero in the first half of a wet or what have not missed that by NANCUFF penalty kick, and I feel like after that Chelsea had a great attack coming in from the right wing. They had to off sides goals in the second half, so they were pressing the action the whole time, but I mean they they were able to keep the position. It was almost fifty possession at the end of the game, so hopefully they could do that in the final. Yeah, so it seemed like a preview of what is to expect. I expect the final be a little bit more tighter. ME. This was a premier league where man cities pretty much, you know, secure to win the title. That's title. So they might might just taken to another their foot off the pedal for a bit. But I mean certainly a match that's going to be great to watch to show, like he said, he was going to build a team that people are going to, you know, struggle or fear to play against, and it has. Chelsea has really grown as a team from when Lamport was in charge and then since then bring it into show this team has really improved. We've seen it to show's been able to bring the best in his footballers. Not as much in Werner yet, but where it's he had a he played a much better games against the second leg against Real Madrid, and that's where I feel like a lot of people give him shit for, like the amount of goals he's going compared to when he played for our bellipsick. But I feel like egg that goal against Ramajet he was where he was supposed to be. His he was where he was supposed to be and it's those goals and big, important matches bring him confidence, and I mean especially somebody like I want to also named pullicy. pullisy played really well. Since he wasn't in in the first half, it allowed show well to go up on the wing and then puss and ended up going in. And at first when he made that play for the goal to set up mount I thought he was going to take a shot and I even said, like, why didn't you take that shot? But then he ended up getting that assistant for Mason Mount. So that was a great goal. I feel like it was just a great team play overall, a spiny quite. I said it in the Post match interview. He said that they knew went to suffer and that they were able to win, because, I mean, Raalma drew was pressuring a lot as well, but the only took half the amount of shots that Chelsea did. No, yeah, I felt Ra Madrid's best you know, momentum, the best might the best time. I had a momentum in the game. Was the first half a second half. I feel like they didn't weren't really attacking as much, but it's just because of the way just Chelsea at tapped adapted to the game play. They were able, they were attacking. They had to rely on counter attacks. But when you when you don't have people fast on the wings, you know, we had what's his name, Venisquez Jr, he wasn't really going up as much, but also because it didn't really have a right back, so he had to drop in cover, since millie that would go up like Hella and leave with a gap in the defense. So I feel like there wasn't like really the much of that transit, transition offense for Ra Madrid. That that look like that was killing them, and it was also noticed by a lot of the commentators too. But I mean, I don't know this Madud team. I had hope in them as a Madrista hope was my hope was miss with. My optimism was misplaced, but I don't know. You know, we had Ramos play the full game who, in my opinion, I don't even think, should have even played the one. I need the whole ninety minutes coming up. He's over a month since he last played, but I was out with also another injury. It's just the Rama just has been plagued the hazard. You know, he played, but he's not even half the person he was on Chelsea. So I mean I feel like Ram drew has been played with injuries, but I mean it's no excuse. Yeah, I'll guess, I give it's no excuses. I'm just saying that they were been played with pay, with injuries, but also the fact they were reached that far, you know, just like how's it I was able to...

...get the team the rally that far into the champion Leagueuse, you know, amazing in itself. But now they're few. Know, they're focusing their their attention to Laaliga the summer, you know, and their uncertainty with certain players. You know, we'll see where that goes. On PSG, the you know, novel for Pz. Also want to mention two. Chelsea has a best center defense and then for the last four years, and go look on pad dude, his football Iq is off the fucking charts. Do you see how he was only prayer to pressure Nacho, which ended up causing them that goal? Like he just his movement, his movement off the ball, his recovery, his interceptions, he's just an all around player. So I feel like props to Chelsea for having him. I feel like he's one of probably a gives Chelsea that extra pushing games. Yeah, and Hey, I'll play Tony Cross and mold each less. I feel like, I don't know, I didn't see that much energy from Moltich and cross. They seem kind of like behind on. They're like, you know, mis q. They were. They weren't really connect with each other and Gunto was taken great advantage of that. But yeah, props the Chelsea for getting to the final. But yeah, PSG, yeah, PSG. They lost. Bupet didn't play. Theymar was out there, but surprisingly enough, name are renewed yesterday two thousand and twenty five and twenty five, and I feel like the thing to where matches city was able to beat is Jez Mars Mars. They always have, I feel like magic. City always has those players who just have like playing great spurts for are in really good form. We had Gundu, God, who scored in Multiple Games, and now they have Mars Mars scored against dormant. He scored in both his g games and then he assisted against dormant and assisted against watching gut but and then, I feel like that Red card for d might yeah, minute seventy. Really, I feel like that was just like the Nell and the coffin. That really settle thing. After that there was no way PSU was going to come back. Kyle Walker, he since embot it wasn't on the field. I feel like a lot of the players were going through. Naymar and Kyle Walker just clamped name are almost during the whole entire game. But I don't know, I feel like master city. They deserved to be at that spot and it hurt a lot not having embob Bay on the field for PSG. Yeah, I really did. Pretty Much Namar was the only thing they're running through, like you said, and that just makes it easier to stop a team when you know they're dependent mostly on one player. It's easier to defend. And you know where the would have made. He made the best out of that and he made it to tickets advantage and you know, cut the result, like I said. So Presley Marez, you know, I that's probably one of the players I didn't even expect to score that many goals in the or even have that. You know, a game like that, you know before these matchups. So I mean I don't know where the other has this this thing of, you know, getting the best of the players, out of players that we don't even expect and in times that we don't even expect. But I mean Man City, after many years of trying to get to the UC, I'll final, they finally reach it and by the looks of it, I have them as my favorites lifted up this year. Yeah, I mean, I feel like the first leg of the the the two game series, I feel like that really affectives you as well. I mean, even though we talked about the mighty getting that red, he became the top of sister in history for psg in that first leg. But I feel like PSG ended up. They started defending way too early in that first leg. Manchester City took advantage of every mistake that PSG made. We had Cato Navas make that mistake in the first half, HMM, and that first goal and then the wall, the wall for that free kicker. Our store. They opened up. That was another mistake. Way You got a Red card at mini seventy seven and then I feel like de Brou and he also got saved because after ten minutes after that, quay got that really a similar he had a similar tackle, only got a yellow. So I feel like it was just a series of events to ended up costing PSG the game over two legs. Yeah, and I've noticed the stat real quick. PSG did not win a single home game in the knockout stages. They tied and they lost. So that's that's got to keep track of those. They there. They didn't. You really use home field vantage,...

I mean when there's no fans, kind of a neutral but I mean you still playing at home. But I mean that's you know, that's pretty and I found that as an interesting fact. And then kind of just two close things out. We have the U F A Champions League, but I want to talk about the gunk gotch and in the next big thing, the next best thing, like COP Champions League. So we had every team, every leg on Maggies team that played at MLS team, except long now, but every Leon Maggie's team eliminated an MLS team. So I feel like I want to talk a little bit about that. Yeah, we had CRUIS ASSORD beating Toronto, Monterey was they be Columbus lumbus crew, who is a reigning MLS Champs, and I'm medicat, beat Portland Timbers at home. Pretty Great. That's three they got Maki's teams into. I believe it's a quarterfinals, seventy lass some wise semi finals. And the only remaining I MLS team is Philadelphia Union, coming off beating land united, and they're about to get I don't about to destroy it, but I'm pretty sure they're going to lose to Rika. Yeah, so, I mean this is where this were a question comes in. If MLS is catching up, I'm not even going to say overtake it, because they know that's still far to go. Catching up to the go. My Key's do you think that that's still a thing? Is it? Ere they catching up or what? I feel like people just hop on the train has to say, like you're that be saddle. Even said it too. But what do you say that? What do you think he said that? He said all. I mean, look, he's playing, he's playing on a team that's hasn't really done anything in them molst he was supposed to be one of those players to catapult inswer my Yami into that playoff spot or even like I don't know if the dominate, especially after they bought both the Wayne Brothers my tweetie. They haven't really done any thing in the MLS. So I feel like he had to say that MLS is going to overtake the League, macky's, but I feel like it's not even about that, because I feel like a lot of people all stop on the thing. We're all look at how great they got, macky says. I feel like one of the biggest factors, especially this time going around, is that MLS teams or either in their preseason or really early on, and they're mls season playing against teams like I medica Orcus assumed, who are at the top and at the end of the League on macky season. So there with rhythm. They've been playing together for a whole almost a whole season. Their coaching staff has really set up a style of play and we'll just overall, I feel like MLS teams just I don't know, they just seem to not function in the concraff Champions League, especially even like Columbus crew, even though, although they didn't have Lucas Alata Yan, who was their finals MVP, but this is still be able to do better against the team like Monterrey. HMM. So I just feel like it's a lot of different factors. But obviously the got macky's is just above the MLS right now. Yeah, and I mean, like you said, those are factors are going to effect, but that's not they got macky seams. So I feel like that's more on major league soccer, for they're like they have their scheduling is different than even the rest of the world. You know, where they start in late March, like early April, is in the start of their season, when majority of the world is already either midway through the season or concluding their season. So I mean, like that's just on them. I don't know why they're doing it different, but if Emil, if mls like as a whole, wants to compete with legal makey's and I feel like as a league, they should look into how these schedule things and what how they can have their teams playing the best football up into the middle of, you know, CONKAF Champions League. But I mean that's the way things are right now. Legal make teams are still still beating these MLS teams and yeah, you can say that their MLS teams are financially better, they have more money. Yeah, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't mean Shit when you're on the field you're getting spanked in your own stadium, your own people, by some dudes from Mexico. But I feel like it's not even like. The way I see it too,...

...is mls has progressed a lot. I feel like their teams are really good, the players are really good, but it's just certain things of how look how long Le Got Macki's has dominated the CONKA cof it's still going to happen for a four years and it's like it's just because, I mean, they're not that. It's not the the MLS is that bad. It's just like a lot of factors that people don't notice you. So, all right, if I give you a timeline of when you think an MLS team can win the concacat Champions League, one to three years, four to five, to seven, seven to ten, fuck, I'll probably do for to seven, forty seven years. Fuck not. Probably be between probably three, three or four years. I feel like there's going to be an MLS champion the can cyoff, especially if there's a team that could really dominate in the MLS, or even a two or three team. We saw with like LAFC, who's probably been the closest team the yeah, who they ended up he they beat a lot of Lego Maki's teams, and not alone CRUSA school. Yeah, I'm Medica the which at that time where the three top teams, and maybe macky's. So I feel like just a team like that has a dominant and they have to keep the players healthy and there has to be another team up there they can help knock out Legon Mecki's teams, because we saw it right now. Three Le Got Maki's teams. They all won, they all knocked out and the only reason Philadelphi Union pass is probably because it didn't play lead magazine for last team, and so that's it's just a lot of factors, but I give it. I give it about three to four years. It's just a matter of how a team like LAFC does and the regular season, or if a team like, say, out sounders Columbus crew, we saw, if they could probably find that missing piece of they need on the field, because they also look in shaking the start of the season in the MLS. So we'll see. We'll see the next next year. Your predictions coming out quick for to be right. Yellois crus the food game and obviously, well I medica is the final. I think this one, nomerica. I don't want to say one, are you, because I also want to see if Christ to make the final for the Lego Maki's, because then it's going to turn out to it might be not a scheduling conflict, but just I don't know, because they also doesn't like using all his starters for the conic cops, so it showed he more. He started with a few of the second strings. Yeah, in the corner COP, and I mean they still one. I'm going to was wrong. Whole is good. He's been scoring a lot, and Waltro Montoya to WHO doesn't really playing, the make's. So I don't know. Some way, but as of right now, I think the finals going to be sole Medica, but I'm not going to say who I think is going to win yet. All Right, I agree with you. I think us who's gonna beat like others, a medical also comes out on top of a Philadelphia Union. I mean he's going to be interesting as this these games approach, and so does the the gotta make his conclusion way UNDERPA chuck it, but leg I should start with in the next week. So it's an interesting, great, interesting time and soccer, and especially a since Dida's they just signed a world up champion, dolven sorry, really all being how are you? I'm not sure if that's the right pronunciation. I'm not French, but LAORI L Bensu coming from Olympic to Marseille, and I mean, yeah, he's a I feel like he's a really good player. He's a top goal scorer from Marseille. He's only twenty eight. He he only played seven minutes in the World Cup when he went in for a suffering bought it against Argentina, and fut medical fans like using that. Oh, you play some, but he's on a World Cup winning squad. Bro Like you got to be chosen out of a select pool. There's like at least, especially since France has players from like every national thing in the world. He just he was on the team and I mean he played. So I mean I hope, I hope he does well, especially if Beaho is the one who ends up being the coach of Tess I wonder how Pahole, especially he hasn't been playing that much offensive with his teams in recent years, how he's going to fit into the pee whole system, especially with the large amount of office they of because I don't know the defense. I don't know. I feel like some cells probably the most like consistent, consistent one, because I don't really trust what is or wait or a I y'alla husband. I don't know recod anywhere. Yeah, so I mean know. So...

...we'll see what you still see a Y'alloll gets chosen, which is most likely going to be the case. So we'll see how Davin, but I think it's a great signing for the Legal Maki's. It's crazy to me how it all been supposedly had a Leicester City. Leicester City that's hands West, has a palace. Yeah, so I don't know. Maybe the money was in right. Maybe he talked to Yakhu. He also played with an Olympic the Marseilles. I don't know. Maybe, because I don't know who would want to leave Mexic to live in Mexico, but you're are living live, leaving Europe at twenty eight years old, twenty eight, with offers from at least two good from your teams. Yeah, I mean, why? Don't know. Maybe the something behind closed doors that we don't know about. We'll see if thobbin can improve. Cheat Digress next season as unfortunately have been knocked out today by a class SUCCA's last game, his last season, and you know what a great runner was for Duccas a coach there. But I mean, and I hope these signings to hate to be the dude who always and brings to us into the conversation, but hope she was noticed, as the signings of these people are making. Somebody in your league just signed a World Cup champion, so has better fucking sign somebody good. So that's all the time we got for this week. Make sure to like, share and subscribe and we'll see all next time.

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