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Episode 30 · 1 year ago

Goat Talk Podcast 030 | Euro Final, Italy, Copa America Final, Argentina, Messi, Gold Cup, Chucky


In episode 030 of Goat Talk, Alonso Frias and Fabian Magaña discuss the Euro 2020 Final where Italy defeated England in penalties, the Copa America Final where Argentina and Messi beat Neymar and Brazil 1-0. and the start of Mexico's participation in the Gold Cup where Chucky Lozano got hurt against Trinidad & Tobago. #Euro2020 #CopaAmerica #CopaOro

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Welcome back, everybody. This is episode thirty of Goat Talk. I'm ro host Alonzo, and we're finally back after about a month of not posting an episode. We just had two major tournaments in the world of football. Yeah, we had the two thousand and twenty euros and also the Copa Medica. Two tournaments are supposed to be played last year, but due to covid they push it to this year. We'll talk about the most recent tournament that just ended, which is the euros. That saw Italy be England three, two and penalties when it was on one at full time. This game was played at Wembley. So what are your thoughts about? You know, how Italy played this game on what you say like rival turf. Yeah, I feel like it was something that Italy was kind of like complaining about how England had already played a majority of other games at home, and we saw them. Luke Shaw has scored the fastest goal in euro final history. That really set the pace of the game, especially since England scored so quickly. Italy just had to move things around. I mean they're midfield with Barella, Georginio and Vati. Really, I feel like, controlled a little bit better than Phillips and Decktan Rice, but I don't know, just a game back and forth. Italy took a lot more shots, even though they weren't on goal. They're really pushing the action, I feel like, because then they didn't get their equalizer until the sixty seven minutes. So it took them a lot of work to be able to score a goal, but it was a it was a good game. Yeah, and, like you said, it took him a while to score like goal. That's giving props to I would say that defense of England, McGuire, who has seen a lot of criticism and prem games that he's inconsistent, has actually played pretty good this year tournament, in my opinion. We had Kyle Walker also, and stones in the back and Pickford, who's really shown that he's actually one of the great goalkeepers and for England and it shows why he's a starter. But, like you said, they had like what twenty shots on goal, for it was for Italy. I mean twenty shots, and then six were on Gole for Italy. Well, England had six shots and only one was on goal, and I'm guessing that one on goal was that one that Shaw had scored. So I mean, looking at that, it's kind of like they, like England, couldn't really produce much danger plays like on Italy. It was more like the other way around. Italy was the one who kind of had control the game, and we saw it in the possession we're Italy had sixty two percent possession and England had thirty eight. So it was more like Italy was trying to find that equalizer that they found and minute sixty seven and then, you know, I feel like this game was mostly all Italy up until maybe what you'd say like the last few minutes of the second half of extra time, right before they went to penalties. That's when like seal game made. All those subs, you put in Rashford, Sancho, who many were? It basically seen that he was putting them in for penalties, which we'll talk about in a bit. But I mean, I feel like this was Italy, you know, throughout the whole game it was there were the ones who were dominating. I just felt it felt right that they, you know, when this tournament because of the way how they started it and they continue to play throughout the whole tournament. Yeah, because I feel like a lot of the teams will all the teams from the Group of death that had France, Germany and Portugal. None of those teams made it out of the round is sixteen, and I feel like Italy. Italy was probably the best in my opinion. I think they were the best team of the tournament. They went and defeated they won every single one of the games in regular time, except for the semi final against Spain, which was probably not a good game. Yet they were still up for eighty minutes of the game up until Spain tied, and I mean that game was a little bit shaky. I mean Spain is kind of awkward to play against, but every single are games that they played before that, they were the best team. Yeah, like you said, it was a semi final game against Spain, and I mean that was the Spain who, you know, many people also doubted, you know, because they didn't think they'd go that far, especially with like a team that Enrique put together.

That was kind of maybe questionable. But I mean they exceeded expectations and I mean they showed me too, because I really didn't didn't think that they would make it that far. So I mean surprisingly they did and they put up a good fight against Italy. But I mean Italy, you know how great to have been playing. You know that ultimately came into play and got them the euros that they've waited for about out I don't know. I think it was around fifty years. Also, like England, around fifty years for that second coveted Euro Championship. But I mean let's talk about England for a bit. That's the topic for much of the media today. Southgate putting in Rashford and Sancho to take the penalties, who both missed, and we'll talk about that right now. I ask you for your opinion. Another player who missed, Wassaka. Those three players shot them back to back and they all three missed consecutively. What do you think salt kate was thinking and putting, you know, Rashford and Sancho W in to shoot the penalties, who we don't two players who haven't played many minutes in the tournament, and then Sacca, who has never shot a career, like a senior career penalty up until this point. Like, was that the right decision or what comes into play there? Yeah, I think that's like the most controversial topic. That happened with the final for me. I think a lot of people are saying how Rashford and Sancho were like cold, so that's could be one of the reasons they missed the pencil, but I feel like, dude, you don't need to be warm to run up like two feet and shoot a penalty. The problem that I had with them being some done is he basically ghosted Rashford and Sancho the whole tournament, like they barely even played, and then he wants them to carry England on their back and score like the decisive penalties. And then with Saka, why would you choose, I mean, a nineteen year old to take the fifth penalty, like the decisive one? We saw it happen with France. Are they chosen Bapa, who is technically their best player, and then he ended up missing that penalty against Switzerland, causing France to also be eliminated. But I feel like, I mean, it kind of helps these players careers. I mean, I said when IMBOPA missed, I feel like he needed a miss to help his career grow, which sounds kind of stupid in a way, but they just gotta see how their career goes from one path to another, especially with Sacca, who plays on arsenal, who has shaky seasons, but it's just the fact that he why would you not play Rashford like, even though he didn't have that good of a season with Manchester United, he's still a lot better than like, say, Mason Mount who really couldn't find himself on the pitch aspose and sometimes he had a drift to the outside, with sterling also underperforming. Is just the way he set up the formation, I feel like, didn't really help and he needed wingers like Sancho and Rashford on the field, and then he puts them in and makes them take the decisive penalties when they probably don't even feel like they've been receiving confidence from their coach, south gate, up until the final game of the tournament. Yeah, and I you said he had SOCCA, nineteenyear old, take the last penalty when you can know you could have had rhem sterling, who has been probably the better player of England throughout the tournament. I mean, I don't know, Ufgate, for sures, probably getting criticism right now and I'm portantly we're seeing the players suffered to with fans leaving racist comments and there, you know, three of them because they happen to be of African descent. But you know England, you know they made it and it's props to them for making it. I had read something where like the President of like the England Federation had said that back in like two thousand and twelve, he has said something about how he was aiming for the team to reach the Semis for the two and twenty year olds. But I mean they...

...reached the finals, so they made it even further than what they had thought. So I mean England shouldn't, you know, be disappointed in themselves for losing the final. They should actually be proud for making it this far in a euros that probably didn't see them much as favorites, even though they had a pretty good team. You know, there was others who were more heavily favorites, but this is like their golden this kind of like this, I think, coming of their golden generation. I mean the first one was probably like in modern day football, when they had David Beckham, frank lamp part, Steven Gerard, Wayne Rooney, like in their primes. But this is look at their look at their bench and then look at the starting Anna, like they have they're really stacked, I mean compared to like other teams like Belgium, and I feel like Porch Gorge is never really had that chemistry and we had players also underperforming, like Diego Joe Down, Bruno Silva and Fernandez, and Bruno Fernandez, who I think he didn't play that bad, but it was still some moments in there. Yeah, I feel like England, England did really well. We saw grilish also. I feel like he had a really good tournament, who I think should be moving to a better team this upcoming season, hopefully to Manchester City. But it's just the fact that the way they lost and the way that they kind of like carry themselves, because then also when Italy lifted the trophy, the only ones who stayed were Jordan Henderson, who got sub doubt, and I remember telling you during the game too, I was like, why would hugh sub and Henderson at the time of the game, and it's a moot. Were you you already have to holding midfielders and Decklan rise and Phillips. Why would you put in Jordan Henderson? And I remember telling you that when he some them in and then he ended up summing him out again for Rashford for the Rashford ended up not what playing that stoppage time. It was like, what is that? I don't yeah, it was like the last minute that he set them on and then also Phillips. Phillips and Henderson were only players to stay and watch Italy lift their trophy. And I mean I feel like, yeah, they're starting lineup could have even been much better, like we said, with central and Rashford. And I see comments where they're like, oh, southgate could have, you know, fought with guns and rifles, but instead chose to fight with sticks and stones, you know, by leaving those two on the on the sidelines. And I mean it's kind of true because throughout the tournament we were we kind of questioned southgate about the lineup sake he would put out, you know, not leaving Jack Relates on the bench, Marcus rash for jet you know, Javeen Sancho, who's, you know, now headed to the PRIMP for man united. So I mean it's like you have players like these who are starting potential and start on their teams undeniably, like why would you not start then on the national team? You know, like they're obviously better than the people they sub in for de Quin rise. I feel Marcus beastly better than him, who were Daniel. They don't play the same position, though. You'd have to find out way to mean that's true, but I mean he was playing three in the back and he had for midfielders, but it was three PN and shawn like on the wings. So I mean I guess they would drop kind of born in the back at some point, but I mean, I don't know, it didn't. I mean that it showed. It didn't work, though, because it'll be was kind of dominating the game either way on possession and shots. So I within the thing to that. Want to just talk about kind of the close out. The euro is done a room when he wouldn't the MVP of the whole tournament and he's like a really young goalkeeper who just got signed to Pasg for for ind is probably I don't know if he's going to replace killer now has, but this is kind of like the second time in his career where now this kind of like pushed aside for an upcoming not upcoming gold, because I feel like courtois already like established himself. Yeah, like they signed another goalie when he's already in a good moment, don't I room of the best goalkeeper in the world right now. Nah, I feel like that's kind of like recency bias, were you just see a goalkeeper succeed recently and it has a lot to it,... midfielders and forwards, kind of like a lot of people were criticizing how people were saying how Conte was it best midfield in the world just because of Chelsea Winn in the Champ League. I feel like he's just had a he's always been a really good goalkeeper. He debutiful Italy like at a really as a teenager, at a really young age. But I don't know that. I feel like I don't know how he's she's gonna Maybe Keller now is going to play in the Champions League and on a room is going to be playing in the league and maybe in the Italian Cup. Yeah, I don't know. That's something, but they end up French Cup, the French Cup. Oh yeah, that said, it's Time Cup because he's the time yeah, it was a bracing and so, yeah, so maybe, I don't know. I don't know how analysis probably feeling about that right now, especially after seeing how well of a tournament he had, and especially because Kaylor no was is not even going to be in the couple hoto. Oh Yeah, yeah, he didn't call it. He didn't. He's not with Costa Rica, which we'll talk about in a bit. We'll move right now back to the other tournament that we had talked about, which is a coup of Medica. We had Argentina and Brazil facing off in the final. This past Saturday. We saw Argentina side winning hundred zero with a goal from uncle be made at minute twenty two, giving messy his first inner, like major trophy with Argentina in your level at the senior level, could wanted you twenty world up an Olympic gold medal at the senior level. So you know, what do you think overall about the performance of Argentina and maybe why Brazil came up short of it? becometry not Thal well, I feel like a lot of the stuff had to do with Brazil having to go through Neymar for a majority of the game, and even we saw instances where Nemere had a drop all the way back to their defensive third to try to get the ball, and because I feel like are Sina, surprisingly was passing the ball really will, but I feel like something that really messed up the game was the amount of fouls. There was forty one fouls during the course of the game and they were like backtoback, like. We never saw large portions of the game without a foul, without like the ball being stopped. What's OK? It was like there was not a lot of continuous play and I feel like I don't know, and we saw too hotty. This said that he had a he knew a way how to stop messy. I feel like it wasn't really that way and you never really saw messy really getting cluttered by a defender, him being stopped in away. I mean, did you really ball? And he gave an amazing assist. UN can be Myria ran and Lodi, the left back for Brazil. He timed out horribly. You kind of yeah, he kind of marked him bad, but he was also a player who had to stay down a lot because of neme are also playing on the left, and so I feel like he could have positioned himself better. But I'm we can't really say that because I was in on the field, but I feel like he did kind of mark the money. I bad in that goal that he scored. Yeah, yeah, because it was like a football. I felt like low they could have gotten if had he timed the right or howd he just kind of like, you know, position himself better? I feel like that was more of a defensive air. I mean, you know, it was a great past, but it was just like a defensive error that, you know, once he once the ball got through him, you know, there was no catching up to the MDIA. I was a one B one with the goalkeeper. He easily just chipped it over ederson. But I mean, like I said, it was like a game with with a bunch of fowls. So there was never really like a rhythm to the game. That was kind of stagnant. It was kind of and it was hard for Brazili to find, you know, that rhythm because every time nay more would try to get through the lines or create some plays, you know, you would get fouled. You know, we'd saw like Outi many probably I saw him follow any more than most, but it took to like the almost the end of the game to give him a yellow card. But I mean, you know, that's soccer. You know, you gotta it's you fight, you grind through it, you know, there's never really a rhythm, but that's on you to find, you know, a way to win, and Argentina ultimately won't.

They found a way to win. You know, they were able to hold it down through what they scored minute twenty. So it's about eighty minutes against Brazil at home and in Mycana, they held them. You know, goal is so, I mean, you know, that's credits Argentina for be able to do that, you know, especially playing in Brazil. You know, tournament that you were supposed to play at home originally. That's also you know, see criticism. You moved it from a country like Argentina, who's played by Covid to another country's played by code even more in Brazil, which I mean woman board had. You know, it was no logic in doing that, but you know, Argentina came to Brazil, they came to their backyard and they beat them. Yeah, and I mean the last time that Argentine even want a couple of Medica was against Mexico in one thousand nine hundred and ninety three, and so it's been a really long time coming for them and I feel like a lot of people, I mean this even including yourself. I feel like messy received a lot of criticism that he never even was supposed to get. He participated in on eleven, twelve goals that Argentina. Argentina had, and I mean, and I mean I don't know, just a lot of that people were saying about messy in the final. Are you to earn, you mean, like as a whole tournament both because, I mean, what people want him to make like a hat trick in every single one of the Games, to them to say, oh, messy got carried. How does he care? How there was one goal in the game and all the goal the Paul gave an amazing assist, like they were being we and score every single goal, like he already carried so much. He participated in eleven of twelve goals and he's won or time. On the final, though, where he had like to e One v ones that you know, he makes those day, he makes those any day of the week, but he didn't make them in the final, but they still won. I mean, I know, and even if you would have made even if you would have made that goal, people would have still found a way to talking bad about messy. I mean, I don't know, chief I think how he scored a goal. That would have been the cherry on top for a perfect tournament. But you really still wow. They still won the the Cherry on top is the for him that you don't eat. He wins the trophy and he scores a goal in the final. What member? I mean you still win the trophy, but but he was a top use, a top or. He was the top scorer of the whole tournament. He was a top as sister the whole tournament. Well, I mean you name more Cherry on top. The Cherry on top is just a trophy. That's it anymore. Name more is a gold merchant. Dude, he ain't no a sister. I mean had messing at one and then it would be disappointing, disappointing wide. See, that's what I feel like. The level that because less massy has said, for the rest of the the world is like, who also think raw bro who else is run in the couple of Medica besides him? WHO's the WHO's the next? WHO's the next player that would you know go up against that? They maybe more. You more. Brazil is filled with really good teams. Dude. CUSSIM too was not going to score you four goals. Neither run like even Columbia one. Kaqui Alo had a really good tournament. We saw Louise is the step up in the third place game against Brow. That's talk about star level players, though globally known at that. A lot of this game more. Look at all these. Columbia had a really good squad. Brazil had a really good squad. Would why? Had a really good squad even though they were kind of old? All these teams had really good score why? Dude? If I'm Tommy B spots isn't good novel? At least this isn't good. Or Kawani. I mean, Dude, you you said they're old. They didn't do anything. Yeah, but they do a lot for their clubs, so they're not old then. I mean as bars of that. Dude, laport that, though its waters, was old too. Yeah, and the y'all. He got through wrong. Obviously this is people think. People want messy to score five goals every game, for them not to touch shit. That's that's my point. If you say so, man. I just want to see a messy go on the final. I know that final hurt you. I know heard a lot of...

...we'll see in the World Cup, Buddy, you see, and then people, if people wouldn't, he would have not won the couple Medica, you would have been like, Oh see, he didn't win the couple Medica. We could have saw it now. But now you're saying, since he won it all, let's see in the World Cup. And I don't think he's gonna win the World Cup, but if he does, you're going to be like, Oh, let's even win another one, like it's never going to end. What do you mean to it's a Copa Medica, which teams like only row teams are freaking Brazil. Maybe would. Why? Bro You turned on Bolivia and Ecuador. So how did Chilei win the last two couple MEDICAS? Exactly? I don't know part of those. Those are two finals, exactly. Exactly. That's my point. Exactly he made those two finals and couldn't be Chile. You Act like Chili had scrubs on their team. So they did not. Who's who was in Europe besides scuttle? But I want, and they don't have to be in here. died good team. They don't have to be in Europe to be a good team. I mean, let's see Messi's team they had locked out on Martinis. Europe, messy Europe, and also players in Brazili and Europe. So how is it that the two teams of European players went to the final? Niko in silence, plays on still Gar I'm not really a great team in Europe, and he started a lot of the Games Argentine and scored goals. What's those at? The man even play on, or even what team he plays on? He plays on Benfica and Portugal. Oh No, wonder, I don't know that. anyways, next, next topic. Let's talk about Labor Lade La Conqua, cough like hope auto. It started this past Saturday. We had Mexico. When the first game against Trinidad, that saw a draw, zero zero, with Mexico taking you may consider there a team, which I mean it really is. We saw chokie getting hurt and that was unfortunately going to miss the rest of the tournament. What are your thoughts on the draw and you know, the overall game and you know the like, the freaking thought of the criticism and the controversy that behind it. I mean starting off with two key since it happened not early, early in the game, but I feel like it could have. They should have been a little bit more from the ref, especially because he let them play on for so not a lot, like, obviously not like multiple minutes, but like all those seconds are really crucial of Joky just being on the ground, because we saw even fun is Moldy Punning, what is the one who had to push the goalie off of Chuki and then actor at it. I even had to get a shot on goal for the ball to go out and for him to finally stop the game to call in the medical team to check chuck out. So I feel like and then I don't know if it could have been a penalty, because this is the inertial of the play. I mean the player kind of did push somewhat of choky down and then the obviously the goalie was sliding in with his knee and met Chokie, but I don't know, it's just it was just sad to see how he's going to miss a tournament off of play like that and off the way the ref carried himself. And this also a ref who's had a lot of bad situations before in the past with other players and with other teams. So maybe coming to cops should have a better way of picking rafts to ref these important games, especially with Mexico. Yeah, it was like there's like that role where it's like if somebody re sees a head injury, you stop the game no matter what, no matter where the ball is. The Ref didn't do that, you know, he let a plan on for a couple more seconds. I'm like, I said, it took the actor at I shout to go out of balance for him to end the like, you know, stop the game, but I mean it's that's on the ref or not, you know, not controlling. And then you saw Trinida, I keep fouling the you know, Mexico players. That same player who had pushed to you down seemed like he had like a vendetta because he was going hard at like that Gottito and I chatcha, stepping on their putting everything. And with all those fouls, Trinidad only got one yellow card with all those...

...fouls that those and they were like, you know, they were going pretty they're pretty hard fouls. So it's a disgrace to see that, I like from the referee not doing his job right. And then you have people yelling the chant that they don't want you know the people doesn't want to fence Dal but I feel like that was more on the ref for not going to send or part Filo from the start. You know, when you let these time, when you let these type of place happen, you have no control of the game. You're not going to control the fans. Yeah, I mean it's and that's not excuse. Yeah, ands either way, it shouldn't be yelling that out, especially with the multiple times where they have already got in like criticize, not even criticized for it, but just like fines or we're Mexico is going to have to play games with, know without, a crowd. But even aside from that, we had players like, I feel like I was Volo Rodriguez on the left. He doesn't have really that level of play to be able to keep up with the rest of the team, even which I got. CHAKA still keeps making mistakes, and then I feel like Mexico is still upset this a lot of times before. They don't have that player in the midfield who creates a lot of plays, like a Cam, somebody fun like that. Pisado was supposed to be, because after the Chooki Losano went out the only other winger they could put in was a fray. Now, but is or put in order, Blimpinelle on the wing, and he obviously chose if ay. Now what is but even continuing after that, like I feel like you should have got one more winger called up, because WHO's you get? Whose can he put in? And then he he caught up Kevin Ouabaus and Eddie Sanchez, who probably aren't even going to get any minutes in the tournament, and they're also extra, extra players. Are Yeah, aside from the only other forward, you would say, is what will you though? No, but wingers, wing, a Waitresca, chokie got hurt. Not Nobody really. They got starting orring that got people that. I mean, I find out of this. Couldn't really, you know, put himself in those only other wing that would have been there would have been what. I do not if he had come, been called up or even gave a lightness. Yeah, I feel like, but I don't know. Hopefully they do well on the Olympic team. But like they got deitos, one of those players who creates plays, but he maintains a lot of that movement on the wing. So there's only so many plays you can create on a wing compared to through the middle. Because look, Mexica a lot of shots compared to Trinidad. They think thirty shots and fifteen corner cakes. So they were attacking on goal, obviously, but they just couldn't like function good plays, because when we saw them, when his multi scoporately ended up getting controversial off size. I mean I think his arm was a little bit it off side, but just the way that they generate plays, and especially against Trinidad. Yeah, I mean they had also a I mean it showed ring out the game was like eighty two percent possession and you know, most of the time Mexico was on the thing be no kind of hard to score when you have Trinidad with eleven players inside the box, crammed up there, there's really no space to do it. So I mean they had another choice, like you said. They had, like I remember you were like do this, like they're twenty center into the box. Yeah, I mean it'd see they base a lot of the text of the wings because they don't have like center mids who can really generate or dribble the ball. Because, I mean goody good, he's been playing really well, but he's not like a cam same thing with Actoria. He's a center mid, but he's not a center attacking with it's not about the same thing a really good mid, but he's a CDM. Yeah, so, I mean they have a day. They gets about. They have a chance to bounce back on Wednesday against Watemala, I think right. Yeah, Wa Amala. They're currently second in their group stage just because of solid or beat on them all yesterday, Z zero. But with the Mexico, when I was reading that, if they went against on Amala, they secure, you know, to band to the next round.

So I mean I should I'm expecting a win against what them all life. I feel like Mexico's gonna, you know, regroup themselves and hopefully what I'm all doesn't play like Trinid out with their just in the back. Just you know, because I said have you, I don't know if you watch the USA Ip game right the you know actually was going to a to to USA. Know they're actually keeping possession of the block, creating plays, not just depending on counter attacks. And I mean I was that's what I hope. You know, it was. It was going to be against first Mexico and Trinidad, but it was complete opposite turn. I would really just relying on countertector, just literally just kicking the ball out. But I mean, yeah, USA one on the side, note U Sa one zero. They're taking their see team and then you know, they even they had their criticisms of the only be it hundred and Sero, but I mean it's their CE teams to I don't know when people are complaining about you know they're I mean, I wouldn't I want to say see team. It's probably like a good be good, be team, be team. Yeah, I don't know what I mean. We'll see that. I mean postible. Yeah, without without joke. I mean Mexico, it's I mean they're still the favorite to win this tournament. I don't see I don't see why they shouldn't be beating teams like Martinique or Canada, but they're gonna win. Mexico's Mixo was going to one of the gold cub I thought that Martino wasn't there too. So I mean we got, will get to see him back on the sidelines. I didn't know that when you get a record in the nation's they get transferred to the Gold Cup, even though a different tournament. Yeah, because that's under FIFA. You're right. All right, then, we'll keep up. We'll watch that Mexico game Wednesday. See You, guys next time. Make sure to like, share and subscribe.

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