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Goat Talk Podcast 021 | Mexico, USMNT, Concacaf Olympic Qualifiers, UEFA Champions League, Chivas


In episode 021 of Goat Talk, Alonso Frias and Fabian Magaña discuss the Mexico and US soccer U23 teams participating in the Concacaf Olympic qualifiers, the senior rosters for Mexico and the USMNT for their upcoming friendlies, predictions for the Champions League Quarterfinals, and Chivas statements made by Ricardo Pelaez among other topics.
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Welcome back everyone. This is episode twenty one of Goat Talk. I'm your host, a Lonzo, and the first topic I want to get into this week is we just had the you twenty three on the big qualifying with Mexico. They just be Costa Rica three zero. Yeah, Mexico got the three zero win today with goals from Montuna, they guy in Cordoba. What did you think about the performance? I feel like Mexico is probably the best functioning team out of the whole conker calf, and I mean it's been like that for the last like a hundred years, I feel like, and I just think there's the strongest team. They already secure their place in the semi finals and they're only trying to see who comes out in first between them at USA, who they play on Wednesday. But I feel like it's going to be not an easy win from Mexico, but I feel like it's going to be a comfortable win, especially with the people they have in the midfield, like a cord of Bay, Charlie Rodriguez, who really take control of the game and I feel like are just the level of their play is just superior to anybody else and in that zone yeah, they're even better than us, as you twenty three, who struggle today against their game in the morning. He didn't they struggle? I mean they had one goal in first forty five minutes. So I don't know. I think that I felt like that was a struggle for I mean, yeah, they ended up they ended up winning for zero, and I feel like one player that standout was high of it. He's a city he scored a goal and assisted to I feel like that's probably one of the players that my Scho should probably look out for, Forreira, who's a really good striker. But other than that, I feel like Sebastian Sodo and Sebastian so seto haven't really lived up to expectations. So I feel like I don't know. I feel like there was a lot of talk of this. You twenty three us a team, but they really haven't shown anything other than I mean they beat the same teams at Mexico played against going kind of similar, the same amount of goals, but just the functioning of how Mexico plays in the level of talent they have. I feel like this Mexico's going to be superior. No, yeah, Mexico shows them a for superior team in terms of how they dominate the game with possession as well. And, like you said, they're midfield. I noticed the parts when I was seeing the game that they were able to tack through the center because of how good the midfield was working with the with their forwards, and that's something good to the know. With NEXA's something that on the commentators point it out to yeah, how they could attack the wings as well as the mid and it's kind of like the same thing. They have really good players on either side. I feel like, just because of the level experience each player has to have a lot of minutes with their teams. But one thing that kind of like gets me a little bit anxious is that like players like Alexei's bag on a would yell and Dun are playing really well with Mexico compared to how did they do with you, BA was? But then one thing I think that happens is because the level of players they have surrounding them there, I feel like they're a lot better than they do with Chivas, because Alex he's Begga, he scored a goal, he's it took him one game at the Akron Stadium, which is she was his home stadium to score more goals, and he has in the whole season at Akron and only took him one game. So that that, I feel like that says a lot, especially since Vegas always plays like as a winger and a striker, and he just he's surrounded by better talent and I feel like they just take the best out of him. I feel like Jimmy Losano, the head coach of Mexico US twenty three S, really knows how to utilize them, especially since my seas hasn't been fit to play these last two games, and he's just taking up that role of the number ten and he's function really well with Gorda Wa, with Alaballo, with Antuna, and he just putting the team, not on his shoulders, but just having that vital role up top. Yeah, and we saw the few minutes by my sea us. What did you think about him coming off that? You know, the injury? I feel like he's so a little bit shaky. I mean, we shouldn't really depend on my seas right... for scoring goals, especially since a player like ord the Wa, who is playing sort of on the wing but sometimes it's gets takes a few steps back and plays in the center mid which scored a hat trick in the first game and then scored again today. I feel like we shouldn't be relying on my cs for that reason. I feel like there's people who score goals all around him, so it's a little bit shaky. I feel like the most important thing is just make sure he's healthy and fit and not to risk it up until, I feel like, the semi final game, which is the most important, because the game against USA is just to see who comes on first out of their group. Yeah, and then I'm asking this question. I mean, if you heard it during the game, one of the commentators said that he likes the way that the twenty three s played, not even trying to talent, but of how they move the ball and tag in different, different ways. Compared to that, that's where they kind of playing more through the wings. What do you think about that? I feel like that's kind of silly to say, especially because of the level of opposition that Mexico was playing right now. I mean they beat the Dominican Republican, they beat cons to Rica. I feel like the senior team has played against a lot better teams. I feel like since that, I ever came to Mexico. He told the Federation that he doesn't want to play against like shitty teams and he's they've been playing against really good talent. I mean they're gonna about to play Wales with Gareth Bell and their next match, and they're about to play the senior team of Costa Rica too. So I guess we'll see how well they function against a higher level Costa Rica. But I feel like it's just silly to say, especially with who they've been playing so far and the levels of level of opposition. And it's easier to move the ball around against teams who don't know how to pressure, especially like themnerican Republic was, isn't it really a strong team? But I mean, don't get me wrong, they function really well, they pass really well, their aggressive up top. The defenders don't really have to take that much of a load on, especially with my like one who's a feel like a really good goalie. He he's a starter on the cocks are in the Lega Magcki. So just overall it's a good team, but it's not. They're not better that, they don't function better than the senior team. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Part of compared like the you twenty three Costa Rieka. That's a senior team. They do have three goals, I'll leave at least threeples in last two games, having seven in total and two games, which is, I mean, pretty good for how like the youth. But it shows the coast to show the talent also of the the you S. yeah, because that's something that Mexico sometimes they play really well, the senior team plays really well, but they don't have like high scoring games. So it's good to see it here in the you twenty three, but I mean that's what they're supposed to be doing. Yeah, and comparing that like that. That's team that I released his his squads to go into Europe, the fetch a FIFA. What did? What are your thoughts on the people who call at any mixes, like who we should have called up or Consalva? I feel like the only thing is that the MLS players, I don't know if they should have been caught up for these games. Maybe it's to give them rhythm since they just came back for preseason, players like Jonathan, the Santos, Al'm Pulido and Pissaro. I feel like there's a little, a small group of players in the League on Maggie's have been really doing well. One example is or Manuel, who's been really good in the Lega Maggie's, and another person we saught today for an Avada, who was playing really well with Leon. That could be an other call up. So I feel like maybe, especially since these players and the ML has haven't played in a long time. But probably the only one I would have taken still if I now, but is who USA is kind of battling to take him to the other side. I feel like that was a good call up, even though he never even made playoffs with La Galaxy, but that was a good call. But other than that, I feel like it was it's a bow run a team. The same players who have been part of that does concentrations the past few what year and a half to are? I know that Katito, I don't know he meaning in there,...

...but he's gonna go practice with the team even though he's not going to be able to play. But everybody, though, se sail or Chaa, it's just the same amount of players. So it's good that he's keeping consistency in his call ups and hopefully they get more time to play with with and around each other. Yeah, looking at the previous from their last games that they had earlier, two thousand and twenty, it is significant. It is basically the same call up that that you know had. He liked the way at the teams he had, the players that he had for the team and how they worked out. But looking at the goalkeepers, you feel that a sad dont should have been called up over maybe drawn out on a role school and one side of Yees, especially since like John Nothing at all school. I don't see there's not a future with him, especially him being one of the oldest. Him in or Chow, I feel like. Well, on Silas is good, but I feel like Jonathan or El School especially, he's not going to start over a chow even like on experience. Wise, don't get me wrong, Jonathan Drowschool has a tremendous amount of experience. He's played for championship teams, but what's the longevity with him? What is the point of taking the player at that age? Where this play goalies? Like I said, vetto, who whould Allo, who's playing right now with the twenty three, is not playing, but he's on the bench. I feel like there's no point. So I feel like securing us a little to to have that mentality of old look, I'm getting noticed because he's doing really well in the league and I feel like a kind of I don't know, maybe it brings him down to say that maybe he's not getting noticed. So that's that's good thing that you point out. I feel like that that goalie change, even though they're not going to play over a chow, but it's just something to have where they get that experience of being training a alongside other national team goalkeepers. Maybe, yeah, yeah, it's a yeah, you said you wouldn't try more or less not even over actually is their second coalie, you know, beside behind all chow. But it is to go experience and that's something in a sense that's with brain now, but it is point for two, is to get experienced. PROB we'll see. What do you think would be the stortain line of versus wills? Well, I feel like they have a lot of different options, but I mean I would just go with the same lineup that I've been saying they should play with since a long time. I mean or Chowa, most definitely, out of Tiaga, who plays in Europe, should be playing right back Salcelo and Moreno playing center backs. I got Yarlow, who is doing somewhat good. I feel like he still keeps that spot at left back. ECTOR Adera, who we just came back to play with a let the Goo the Madrid today. Water that, though, I feel like goody good, he's getting minutes with PSV. And then at the same time it's now about is. I'm still stuck between. It's analobs and Gooti playing CDM, but I don't know, that's not what it's doing. Pretty good. He just scored today with Ajax to, so that's the only one I'm back and forth on. And then up top, I feel like that's the easiest top three that you could pick, the Katito, Henry Martin and Chu Ki Losano. Yeah, my team definitely over bully, who hasn't seen any, you know, Eleven, eleven actions since, believe, like September, October, when the playoffs are ended for them. But no, yeah, I agree, I would say just it's one I'm not feel like. It's so onny in the center as a CDM has worked for it that I don't that's probably like like your if you about it, I can see why but I would choose it's on over with the yeah, especially, yeah, somebody who's also like knocking on the doors, Louise Romo from Cruza School, who can also play that position, and that has been using him kind of like as another member in that back line when they transition to a line of five in the back. But I don't know, I feel like you get points for playing in Europe compared to playing on Cuis and Seoul. But don't get me wrong, he's a really good stand up player, he knows he sees the field in a really good way. He's in a really good...

...moment. But I just feel like playing and in Ajax and in Europe just gives you those, those bonus points. To start on a national team. No, yeah, I agree. We have another concut cough team seeing action in Europe, US the US men's national team, and they released their call ups for the Fitch Afifa with primary players being from what's to come from Europe, and then with the one exception, I believe, is Sebastian Le Jet in the midfield. Yeah, and I feel like one thing to point out to that they're going to miss mckinny, mckinney from Juventus. He's picked up an injury, so he's not going to be on the team. And then a team where and Tyler Adams, who are really good players as well. Wow, who's their team is doing phenomenal right now in the French league. And Tyler Adams was also a really starter for the US men NAGINAL team. They can't. They couldn't. They weren't able to assist because of like covid protocols. So they were on the list but they're not going to be able to play. So I feel like those are three really essential players that should have seen minutes in this upcoming game. But I feel like everybody else is kind of the same Geoana polistic. So it's good to see that this new upandcoming wave of players are getting minutes. Same thing I said, well, Nextell, just getting minutes as a national team, getting that starting eleven, playing with rhythm, seeing familiar faces every time there's a concentration and just consistency. Let's see how consistent this new team is. They have to set up chemistry. These team is new. They haven't been in the last World Cup phase. A lot of these players weren't there. So it's important to see how well they do together after a lot of game. Yeah, yeah, I agree. The two players that they called up for those that you said were apps named where is a Christian cappis and Jordan, said by to both playing Europe, when I think it's it's Jordan. Oh yeah, Jordan's about. You was on the place for BOC on boys, which I've seen you cl extra in recent years. We'll see how they feeling for tyr Adams and Tim Weya, which should be a good game they play. I believe it's Costa Rica, right or not? Jamaica, Jamaica and North Ireland. Yeah, so we'll see. I mean they have a good, I feel like a good starting eleven, Zach, Stephen, serginoes it. Surgino dest who scored two goals today with Barcelona, met me out. Brian Reynolds, I think, should be starting and then probably, I don't know, Robinson left back in the mid, Sevestian Legit, Jonas Musa and I don't know, I'll probably like to see I don't know, Christian polistic maybe playing in the mid, even though he's in weird because, I mean we got Dio Rena Josh charge up top and they're own yeah, probably, yeah, that it makes sense for that right up, but I don't know that they haven't really kept the consistent starting eleven and if I feel like it's the first time we'll see the European players meshed with a few of them. Last players, like we said that when we interview Sebastian how he's sort of, I'll taking that veteran role and we can see that he's one of the older guys being called up into this. You're in trip. So I mean I guess Quig for Halter did choose them as that sort of better in leader for the younger players. Yeah, I'd like I mean I'd like to see politic play center. I can mid, especially Bert Halter likes to play players in different positions, kind of like Musa hawatches would probably play in the mid even though on Valencia he tends to play more as a winger. But we like to see players playing a different position, especially in the national team, because maybe there's going to be injuries. COVID is going to take away some players, so they should take advantage of being able to play anywhere on the field. Yeah,...

...we'll see how this such a fiefi goes for the both concocat giants. We're standing in euro but different tournament. We're talking about the Champions League. They have their quarter final matchupset. I'll read them to you. Men City, Man Porto, Chelsea, Bayern, PSHG and Madrid Liverpool. What are your predictions and which ones are you most looking forward to? Yeah, I'm looking forward to this match, but I think Manchester City, Chelsea, Bairn and Liverpool are my my predictions. And we also had a something important to we had a poll on twitter to say which matches people are most looking forward to and it was a tie between Man City and Bros and dorman and baron and PSG. All the baron and psy is obvious because that was a final of the last season, but I think the reason people voted for men city in brosy Dorman is to see how well Hallan does against an elite defense, against an elite team, and just seeing how well they do against one of the contenders for this Champions League. Yeah, it's going to be often to see the potential and what kind of star power plan has we we will. We don't doubt things. Talent, but I mean he hasn't played against the strong defense like Man City has who it ha who like they wont. I think it was like twelve games in a rowing their respective league, but I think how I'm still get some goals in. But yeah, Man City will eventually, I feel like they'll pass. They have too much power on that. I mean, don't call him out because they've found not taking I agree. They got players are informing. I'll Gounda Gun Kevin de Bruin. So it's important to see how well men city does against teams like Bairn, if they pass or if PG passes. It's important. I want to see what they do against because they always I feel like there's a team who are always left out of the conversation as a title contender because they don't. They never live up to expectations in the Champions League. So maybe this could be the year. Yeah, we'll see. This could be the year tips long awaited. You see outside of the Man City I agree with you with Chelsea coming out over port though I could see maybe portal complicating it a bit, but I don't the end, Chrussey will come out. I want to say Bayern. The all when it be surprised name or comes back and PHG finds a way to win. Don't go. I'm a pig Byron and they're your right on me. I'm a have a drink of this man by now. But but Benzama, now's yeah, hi, right now. Yeah, that's why I'd take Madrid if they have been in my obviously picked little pool. But benzemon, then the midfields playing pretty well lit. Report doesn't have van Jaike, I feel is their defense, defensive pillar that keeps it back intact. So I don't know, I feel like they could find ways to penetrate Liverpool's defense, who I mean has been having a rough time in the premier league. But I don't know. Actually, that will probably one of the closer games along with yeah, yeah, I agree. We'll see. We'll see how that goes. We'll see. That's yeah, April. We'll see. WHO GOES ON TO SAMMIS on the road, say instable coming back over here, going to go back to Mexico. They got macky's. We're going to talk about chivas coming off the three hundred and third defeat tobody goat when you talked about in the previous podcast. What are your what is your take on how they bounce back from that loss and then what moves or what has like any day? People from the team, you know, said after that, yeah, there's been a lot of new surrounding chief has ever since that loss? One thing is that they fired your whole security staff and because they were doing likes, I guess they were doing shitty stuff, or they were like selling official jerseys and they were just something stuff going on and they fired the whole security staff. Something where supposedly Alexei's begad did something, and but then they...

...came on to like twitter and their official pages to say that there was nothing wrong that Alexe is begt did and everything's just fine. He went to the Mexico national team with the twenty S. he's playing, but I don't know, it's a lot of distractions and I feel like even what's a teach? The head coach, which she was, came out and said that the players are young, they have many distractions and they don't understand their responsibilities. They was meet with you, bays, which I think, in my opinion, is bullshit. You play for one of the biggest teams in Mexico and you don't understand your responsibility, the responsibility that your team should what happened at trophies. That was a clear example of what your responsibility is. You don't meet the standard, you fuck up too many times, you're out, you get sent to the MLS. And these, these players, they know what they're doing, their professionals. You play for Chivas. I could maybe understand this if you play like in the second division of Mexico, where there isn't that many standards, there's not many eyes on you. People don't really tune into your games. You're not really followed by younger people who want it like you, who idolize you. Yeah, and then the whole thing too, with the security stavages. Shit always happens with Youas and I feel like it's just something bad. How it was a joke we've had on this podcast where every week there was news of long with Chivas, and it just happened again. But I don't know, we'll see. And and they can't get they can get out of that view from the public because of what she has is as a as a soccer team, as a franchise, as a club. How they are one of the bigger. They are, yeah, big, one of the biggest, and Mexico, not just Mexico, but also how they have hang in USA. They're just understood their under microscope and under the public's eye, media's I were like any little thing, it's obviously gonna get blown up and it's just going to draw so much attention to the team, which they don't really need outside drama happening when they are they're trying to still figure out how they can get into that rapprochecked for this season. Yeah, one of the things to that Ricardo Pelais, who manages all the transfers and head coach decisions for Chivas. He came out and said on for ESPN that they're going to look elsewhere for players, that they're going to start looking for players in the USA who have that dual nationality was which is become really popular in past few years for the national team, for especially the US. But then my thing is like, why haven't you been doing this? Players like if I now, but is sign ti Munios, who was born in Texas but now plays with the you twenty threes in Mexico. Jonathan Gonzalez was one the bylone, the older on the League imkies. Why haven't these players been playing for Chivas and you just now saying, Oh, we're going to start looking for players who have that do nationality, who have been playing the majority of our life in the US m and then, especially to somebody like Santiago or Manuel, who could have been playing for Chiva since a long time ago when the moss boy was coach. He had he had a trial for Chivas, he was practicing with the first team and everything, and then after a couple weeks they decided he wasn't up too far with the team and they fought and even or men, you said, like they feel he feels like because of Ario per alta, he wasn't chosen to stay with you as which. Fast forward a year, two years, Bro, that's like the worst fucking decision. Keeping Pat out that over Romnuel, who is one of the top goal scores right now in the league, Maggies, and who has that do nationality, who can play for Peru and who can play for Mexico. It's just, I don't know, just blows my mind. No, yeah, you're choosing PARCTA, who's doesn't see any minutes and it is getting. It's probably it is. He is a high state player on Shiva's yeah, something that's dude. And do just sitting kind on the Wanka game, even a like... all, especially now that there isn't no qu I wish I could do that. Yeah, for Real, but then a yeah, I want to point out to his even, I'm not players of other countries, but those players who, Senator Lisa, don't to be Mexican. One example is when is Mudy, I would I would accept when his money achievas, even though he's from Argentina, he was born in Argentina, and just now he's decided that he wants to play for Mexico. But players like that, one example is like got Los Vella, a Mexican who doesn't want to play for Mexico, and here we have when is moldy, in Argentinian who wants to play for Mexico. So I have no problem with players who want to identify. Now is wanting to play for the Mexico national team. Why not play for Chivas? You a better striker than anybody else, like saliva and Perlta and Sessi, where that who are on Chivas. Why not go for those players, Big Guy? Yeah, exactly. And Yeah, like you said, how they're not going to be sound going. I feel like that's going to become more of a recurring theme for Future. You know, collups in Mexico, but you know USA, a lot of their players weren't born USA there. But we have pullus hitch. Your Rena was born in Europe, that's was born in Europe, but you have to represent USA. And I feel like Mexico should have been on that train, but they were. I guess they just wanted to stick to, you know, their tradition of just full, like one hundred percent born in Mexican. And I don't know, I feel like times are changing. You just got to change with it too. Exactly, look at France, the friends that the World Cups. How many of their players were actually basically like none of them, none of the star w were basically born in France. So yeah, and, like you said, you got to keep up with the Times. To you as you're getting left behind. All these teams are buying players every single season. You can't produce players at that level, can on acausistent level. You got to look elsewhere. Somebody, I hope, gets bought, but I don't know. Maybe, like if I ain't out of it is, which I highly doubt. La Galaxy's going to want to stay, stick with him and probably emigrate to Europe at one point. But I don't know, man players like that, you should have been you should have been scouting. No, yeah, I guess we'll see on that fray nobody's how their new coach any you just him, if even use it him, like what where his plans for a fraying? I but it's on this new galaxy team. If he probably didn't see minutes. I would achievaus is still interested. I could see a frame maybe breaking a push to transfer over there if he's guaranteed minutes, even a loan. We can will take a on loan with that an optional you like, I'll take him, but I'll take them trader fucking tweaky from Im anything. But I don't know. We'll see. We'll see all the outcoming weeks. I mean Jeev has also got that, that leeway. This weekend because of the parole pickle, six other players got caught up, so they had their game against onetre postpones. They got that week off, so we'll see in their next game. Yeah, and would that make two weeks off with them or are they going to make that a dream? Now that I think they have two weeks off to write, considering that they had this this by a week, and then next week is fetch AFIFA. Yeah, because they play April fourth against Santos. That's their next game. Okay, yeah, then, yeah, they do get two weeks most. They should get out. They are getting most of the players back after the you, twenty three is, considering that most of them went. We're with them rather than with them, my Yo. So I mean maybe they can use this break to concentrate. We focus and try to get instead of pick checking the last five or another's left. Yeah, so we'll see what happens with that. But that's it for this week. Make sure a like, share, subscribe and we'll see you all next time.

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